How low can you go?

[[R-MOD]Wasteland]

And that, my friends, is why we should all vote libertarian.

[TexLax]

i forgot where i read this artical, but in it, the guy was comparing some charts from some federal agency (US) and charts of sales of games with violence in them. and the number of real life violent incidents have gone down with the numbr of sales with the number of games with violence in them.

so basicly, violence in video games may be a cause of less violence in the real world.

[BlackwaterEddie]

Originally Posted by [R-PUB]Masaq

It's why male children in households where domestic violence occurs man-on-woman are more likely to become perpetrators of domestic violence, and vicea versa, and people living in high crime rates are more likely to act aggressively than people in areas with low crime rates - even in areas of similar economic standing.

I dont agree with that one bit, seeing your mother being visciously beaten or crippled by your father can be a haunting experience and it doesnt seem logical that someone who has experienced that as a child would want to carry that on in their own married life.

Thats like saying children who are sexually harassed are more likely to do the same later in life, it makes no sense.

[[R-MOD]Wasteland]

Originally Posted by BlackwaterEddie

Thats like saying children who are sexually harassed are more likely to do the same later in life, it makes no sense.

And yet that too is true.


It's not a matter of opinion to agree or disagree with, it's statistical fact. But it still doesn't exonerate those that perpetuate the cycle.

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

I have not seen anyone point out that video games reduce crime simply by giving kids something to do.
What do you think the MyG0t and TKC crowd would be doing if not messing with people's video games ?
Those are some of the worst but a lot of criminals start small out of boredom and if you have a Nintendo or whatever you're not hanging on the street corner where a friend can entice you into some minor crime that eventually leads you to a lifestyle that ends in prison.
The growth of video games also runs alongside the growth in abortion rates and poor single mothers are a large part of crime so less kids born to those unable to handle them means less criminals in the long run.
Statically speaking less Democrats too but I'm sure thats' just a coincidence.

[hoc_xfirestormx]

Originally Posted by JP*wasteland.soldier

And I hate this attitude of social determinism. You are the one truly making the classist argument here, suggesting that the poor are incapable of free will and bettering their own situation.

My grandfather was born to poor German immigrant farmers. He didn't learn to speak English (though he lived in Canada all his life) until high school. He was constantly in fights because he was "a kraut". Then WWII came around and he volunteered and served in Italy and the Netherlands as a tank commander, fighting and killing Germans. When he got back he worked the rest of his life in a Ford factory, working 80 hours a week, every week of his working life, in order to support his wife and 6 kids, one of whom was my dad.

and one of my parents grew up in the projects and both grew up with a single parents. and i had my home destroyed in hurricane katrina and dropped a few footholds on that bullshit "class" ladder that everyone cares so much about. boo hoo. big deal. nothing is classist about what i am saying buddy. read it again. i am advocating social programs that will help the situation, because the truth is that we do have a continuous cycle of oppression happening -- public schools in poor communities are neglected and the little amount of money that is granted to them is stolen by politicians (that is, in most high crime cities... which you probably dont live in). all the while our police systems are concentrating their attention on suppressing the poor black people ("While there are 5 times as many white drug users as black drug users, black men are admitted to state prison for drug offenses at a rate that is 13.4 times greater than that of white men." --http://www.cjcj.org/pubs/poor/pp.html) and punishing rather than rehabilitating. GG.

im suggesting nothing about the poor being "incapable". im suggesting that we all seem to be incapable of giving a sh*t about our fellow human beings. not to mention we are supporting the very institutionalized oppression that poor people are living under.

"OMFG YOU CANT READ BECAUSE THE ONLY SCHOOL YOU CAN GO TO IS HORRIBLE!? WORK HARDER! GET A JOB AND MAKE MONEY TO GET OUT OF THE POOR HOUSE... oh but dont sell drugs or join a gang for protection cause thats against the super important laws of the institution that doesnt give a crap about you." im applying the golden rule, and i think if politicians were treated how they treat other people, a few things would change.

[[R-MOD]Wasteland]

I agree social workers and public education are very much underfunded in America (less so here in Canada), but my point is that change has to come from within. Many impoverished people participate in a culture of poverty where those that do try to better themselves are ridiculed. This isn't something that the politicians can change. It's something that the community has to change.

Originally Posted by hoc_xfirestormx

oh but dont sell drugs or join a gang for protection cause thats against the super important laws of the institution that doesnt give a crap about you."

Buddy, I have absolutely zero respect for laws. None at all. I mean, I respect the possible consequences of breaking them, but the point is I don't think there's anything ethically wrong with breaking the law. I do what's right because it's right, not because the government tells me to. If people want to sell poison to a person obviously incapable of making the decisions for themselves without providing help to quit, or if they want to steal, murder, and intimidate for money, than that is their messed up choice. Don't tell me it's anybody's fault but their own, or that those decisions are wrong only because the government says so.

At the same time, I agree that people need to do what they can to help people break out of their cycles of poverty. My point is that in the end, responsibility for one's actions rests with them, and them only.

[El_Vikingo]

When children laugh after having brutally stabbed someone to death in a videogame, you know something is wrong.

Hence Manhunt 2 was banned from UK.

[sekiryu]

What hasn't been banned/almost banned in the UK?

*runs*

[ALPHA-WOLF]

Originally Posted by El_Vikingo

When children laugh after having brutally stabbed someone to death in a videogame, you know something is wrong.

Hence Manhunt 2 was banned from UK.

Exactly!

But where is the line, that is acceptable?

Of course people should be aloud to put whatever they want in a game, books and films etc... freedom to express and all that

But games are a little more interactive though...

A game that glorifies the need to rape someone to score points, surely wouldn't, shouldn't be aloud, would it?

Yes, people should be given the right to choose, but, most people are like sheep and will just follow the heard... kid borrows a game off a mate in school who said it was cool, who got it off an older brother, kid plays game, he didn't know really what the game was about, just wanted to do what everyone else was doing, at first he is horrified but then he starts to get turned on by the whole idea of jumping out of a pixilated hedge, smothering some pixilated humans pixilated mouth to dampen there pixilated screams as they repeatedly violate them to score points'... Does the same kid go out and do it for real? would the same kid have gone and done it anyway?

Aint trying to be no Mary Whitehouse here, but I guess sometimes maybe there needs to be stronger censors in place?

As far as games banned in US and UK go, not sure, would think it should be on some lists on Wiki (anyone?)

I know if you look at the film lists, it gets less and less censored as the years have gone by...

Is our quest for freedom really fucking us up?????