DAMN YOU EA! DAMN YOU!

[MajorPwnag3]

If they actually were interested in making RA and TD link up, or introduce coherent elements into the story with CnC3, I might consider buying them. I may buy Crysis, Far Cry was fun and the story for Crysis is good, but Renegade 2? Renegade was incoherent enough and seemed to make the story of TD more complex, and not in the crazy, but fun, Metal Gear Solid sense of complex. EA finding a way to link RA2 and TD sensibly is about as likely as Pi being found to be exactly three.

[[R-MOD]Bob_Marley]

Indeed.

Which is why I hope they will declare RA2 a spin off and work from RA. Because there was never actually intended to be a RA2.

[ReaperMAC]

Apocalypse Tank = Mammoth Tank

Heh yeah, we had a discussion about this. Those were the fun days of RA and the Tiberium Series. Tiberium Sun was pretty awesome, I remember making Legions of Titans and steamrolling over my opponent, only to get hammered by some damn superweapon.

RA2 was also fun, the whole "invasion of the USA" was an interesting perspective and all to the "alternate cold war" scenario. But the whole story screwed the link between RA and TD.

[Thunder]

well this have bended my mind many times, and the RA universe and C&C ones are not totally realistic any way.

GDI is a offshoot of nato (which was formed after world war 2)
most of the tech was based of modern equipment we have today alot of it descends from world war 2 and later refined.

Red alert uni makes no sence at all, even if the world 2 never took place alot of the weapons devopled before or during WWII weapons would have still been in use so you would have got shermans facing t-62's, kaytuca's bazookas, JEEP's, M1's early britsh tanks, perhaps with out hitler germany would have become a communist state.

[[R-MOD]Bob_Marley]

Originally Posted by [R-MOD]Thunder

well this have bended my mind many times, and the RA universe and C&C ones are not totally realistic any way.

GDI is a offshoot of nato (which was formed after world war 2)
most of the tech was based of modern equipment we have today alot of it descends from world war 2 and later refined.

Red alert uni makes no sence at all, even if the world 2 never took place alot of the weapons devopled before or during WWII weapons would have still been in use so you would have got shermans facing t-62's, kaytuca's bazookas, JEEP's, M1's early britsh tanks, perhaps with out hitler germany would have become a communist state.

1. No. GDI was formed From United Nations Operations Group Echo, Black Ops 9 into a full scale fighting force due to concerns about Nod infiltration of the European Allies in the Mid 1990s and the dependence upon a purely European based peace enforcement group. The Creation of GDI disbanded the Alliance, as its purpose had been served and a new force was needed.

2. If you had paid attention to the cannon of C&C you would know that in the RA universe massive strides foreward were made, allowing the tech of RA to occur in the mid 1950s. For example Super Computers and Supersonic aircraft were developed in the 1940s, an early version of EVA was developed by both the Allied nations and the Soviet Union, the Philadelphia Experiment actually took place and was sucessful, Einstein created a working unified field theory (something which eluded him in our universe). The Germans were protoyping the V2 and advanced submarines when the Soviets captured Berlin, and the technology for these weapons (which is why they have them). In almost all areas of Science the 1950s of the C&C universe is equivalent to that of the late 1970s/early 1980s of our world and in some fields even more advanced.

3. The Technology fielded in TGWWII (Red Alert) is essentially equivelant to what would have occured with the nations involved would probubly have come up with if given that level of technology without the learning experience of WWII. The Russians field Monstrous multi-barreled tanks (in design the "heavy tank" of RA was essentially a T-80 with lengthed/widened hull and a pair of 105mm guns in the turret) where as the allies field lighter, faster tanks remenicent of the interwar period and early German Panzers but updated with the technology availible (essentially into an M2 with 75mm gun and M60A3 [Or possibly an M1] for the light and Medium tanks respectivly). Or another example being the naval fleets. The allied fleet is still dominated by big gun cruisers as the lessons of carrier warfare that WWII brought were not learned.

4. Though much of the technology in TD is directly from our world, there is no reason it could not be deceneded from that of RA. Nod make extensive use of would essentially be Allied Surplus and equipment discarded by GDI, such as light tanks, self propelled guns, Apache helicopters and so fourth. Also, they field weapons that were prototyped by the Soviets during TGWWII such as stealth tanks and Cyborgs, which fits well with Kane's position as an advisor to Stalin himself with access to the top level of Soviet research.

5. One of my major points - the M16. This was the standard issue rifle for allied forces during TGWWII and Nod Troops during the First Tiberium war. I'm too lazy to rewrite what I've already said, so I'll quote from my writings on cncnation.net:

As we all know, the M16 was the standard issue assault rifle of Allied infantry during TGWWII. We also know that it was the standard issue weapon of Brotherhood infantry during the first tiberium war. Now, this brings us to an interesting point, the Brotherhood is basically a large terrorist organisation based in Africa, South America and South/South East Asia. Now, if the tiberium universe changed from our with the arrival of tiberium in the late 20th century, it would make no sense to give the brotherhood the M16 as a standard assault weapon. The AK-47 is common, cheap and easy to operate and by the time tiberium had arrived it was the most popular assault rifle ever, and would almost certainly have been the standard arm of the Brotherhood. Due to the fact that most of their troops were primarily drawn from militias and mercenary groups from the regions where nod held sway, the AK-47 would have been the weapon of choice because of the reasons outlined above.

However, in the Red Alert universe the AK-47 was the weapon of the defeated side. With the fall of the Soviet Union practically all the AK-47s produced would have been captured by allied forces and most likely destroyed (this is going on pure Red Alert, 2 comes later). As at the time of TGWWII the AK was a brand new design and so exports would have been minimal due to the massive numbers of troops needing to be equipped so the chances of encountering the weapon outside of the Soviet armed forces is low.

This leaves us with this - the assault rifle of the winning side, the M16, becoming the most popular weapon in the world instead of the AK. This makes sense as the Allies were aggressive in their enforcement of UN directives and so it is likely that A) Allied troops took M16s all over the world, so they became common and B ) The M16 was distributed to UN and Alliance friendly nations and militias world wide.

And if we throw Red Alert 2 into the mix it becomes even more interesting. Allied infantry have dispensed with the M16 and replaced it with the combination of an SMG and an M60 LMG. That means there would be a great deal of M16s floating about, in alliance store rooms, in the hands of "home guard" style units and such, allowing for absolutely massive numbers of the weapon to work their way around the world and eventually into the hands of the Brotherhood. And even if we don’t use RA2, by the time of TW1 GDI (and so presumably the G7/ Former Allied Nations) were using personal mini guns rather than assault rifles (Although GDI minigunners are depicted as using the Calico M960A SMG in the TD cut scenes).

Now, one could explain the use of the M16 by brotherhood troops with the fact that prior to TW1 brotherhood forces were equipped by American and European defence contractors. But, the M16 is an unsuitable weapon for a guerrilla army such as the brotherhood, and why would the brotherhood with its virtually limitless wealth at the time settle for second best?

I'm sure there are other points I could raise, but I can't be bothered right now.

Bassically, the C&C Universe goes Einstein kills Hitler - Red Alert - -OGE, BO9 formed- Allies win and act as UN's Peace Enforcers - 1995 - Alliance disbanded by UN - OGE, BO9 changes name to GDI and offically goes public to combat Nod Terrorism - Tiberium meteor lands in Italy - First Tiberium war - GDI win - largely peaceful period - Kane Comes back - Second Tiberium War - GDI win (again) - CABAL goes Crazy causing The Firestorm Crisis - Nod and GDI team up - CABAL gets pwned - Mysterious Nod ending with Kane Clones and Kane's/CABAL's faces murging and going on about "I/we/our directives" - largely peaceful period - Kane Comes back (you can't kill the Messiah) - 3rd Tiberium War

[ReaperMAC]

Dont forget GDI and Nod vs. Cabal.

[Nimble]

The Bob knows all, I demand a Bobipedia.

[[R-MOD]Bob_Marley]

Originally Posted by ReaperMAC

Dont forget GDI and Nod vs. Cabal.

Good point. Forgot the Firestorm Crisis. Will edit.

[Skullening.Chris]

Damn, Bob, I've never played any of those games, but just from reading that massive post, I'm actually quite interested now. I think I'll give 'em a try :P

[Expendable Grunt]

...Bob, you are a hero to this CnC fan...

Well, as long as they declare RA2 a spin off, maybe I *can* accept it...

But we can all say the dystopian future if TD/TS is dark and awesome.