Did we really go to the moon? - Page 7

Expendable Grunt · 07-25-2007, 07:33 AM

ADA, Mars has a very, very weak magnetic field. This means we cannot live overtly out on the surface very well, terra-formed or not. However, our current technology DOES allow for enclosed environments. Think about it. We already have a space station in progress, and we do have submarines, which are totally air-tight and enclosed environments.

Also, if you want something kind of cool to think about, the gas density on Venus is such that, given a "dome" or "sphere" type of colony of sufficient gas volume (breathable air inside), it could float, much like how helium is much less dense than our own breathable air. There is a strata in their atmoshpere that gets to be about 50F during the day (pretty high up) so a colony of the right size could float up there...if we wanted it to.

~~ArmedDrunk&Angry~~ · 07-25-2007, 07:51 AM

The books Saobh mentioned were about terraforming Mars so you could walk in the open.
They were also about the politcs of colonization but that is another thread.

TheOldDog · 07-25-2007, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfe

Why not point a telescope at the moon and just take pictures of the flag, lunar rover, and other items left behind? Heck, our scopes are so good we could probably get a shot of the footprint. Why hasn't anyone thought of this?

They have thought about it, vis:

http://hubblesite.org/reference_desk...=77&cat=topten

Can Hubble see the Apollo landing sites on the Moon?

No, Hubble cannot take photos of the Apollo landing sites.

An object on the Moon 4 meters (4.37 yards) across, viewed from HST, would be about 0.002 arcsec in size. The highest resolution instrument currently on HST is the Advanced Camera for Surveys at 0.03 arcsec. So anything we left on the Moon cannot be resolved in any HST image. It would just appear as a dot.

~~mrmong~~ · 07-25-2007, 12:56 PM

who cares

~~ArmedDrunk&Angry~~ · 07-25-2007, 12:59 PM

It's vitally important to some people to appear smarter and more knowledgeable.
They like to give the impression that everyone else are just dumb sheep and they are genius level wolves who know the real truth.
It's a self esteem issue.

hoc_xfirestormx · 07-25-2007, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlakeJr

Excuse me but you CAN'T go now. There are currently NO operational launchvehicle capable of lifting a LEM AND a commandmodule ala Apollo.
As far as I know though, there ARE plans to return to the moon no later than 2020 I think... I read that somewhere on NASAs site.
The return to the moon will also bring about the establishment of MoonBase Alpha. LMAO!

the point was that we have the money and the means to go. we have to build the crafts obviously, but if we wanted to we could go. and 50 years is enough time to pass to make the fact that we havent gone back moot in the big picture. we are taking our time going because we have already been, thats my point.

vanity · 07-25-2007, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOldDog

They have thought about it, vis:

http://hubblesite.org/reference_desk...=77&cat=topten

Can Hubble see the Apollo landing sites on the Moon?

No, Hubble cannot take photos of the Apollo landing sites.

An object on the Moon 4 meters (4.37 yards) across, viewed from HST, would be about 0.002 arcsec in size. The highest resolution instrument currently on HST is the Advanced Camera for Surveys at 0.03 arcsec. So anything we left on the Moon cannot be resolved in any HST image. It would just appear as a dot.

For the past 35 years, we've been bouncing a laser beam off a reflector Apollo put on the moon. In fact, 2 different observatories do it. One in Texas and the other in France. This is the final proof that we rarely hear about b/c it's rock solid evidence that we were on the moon. Conspiracy theorists seem to forget we placed a freaking reflector on the moon which has been used daily for 35 years by 2 different countries.

"The McDonald Observatory in Western Texas and a second observatory near the city of Grasse in southern France regularly send a laser beam through an optical telescope to hit one of the reflectors. The reflectors are too small to be seen from Earth, so even when the beam is correctly aligned in the telescope, actually hitting a lunar reflector is quite challenging. At the Moon's surface, the beam is a few kilometers or miles wide and scientists liken the task of properly aiming the beam to using a rifle to hit a moving dime 3.2 kilometers (two miles) away."

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/feature...fm?feature=605

http://mcdonaldobservatory.org/visitors/tour/

vanity · 07-25-2007, 01:58 PM

Not to mention pretty much much every rocket scientist on the planet, regardless of the country they are from, confirmed; "Ya, the Americans were definitely on the moon."

You'd think that if there was a shred of doubt, someone would've spoken up. Multiple independent sources from countries all over the globe observed it.

Expendable Grunt · 07-25-2007, 06:07 PM

Yep. That's the solid proof right there.

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Expendable Grunt Join Date: Mar 2007 Mongolia Location: Hollywood, MD Posts: 3,656	ADA, Mars has a very, very weak magnetic field. This means we cannot live overtly out on the surface very well, terra-formed or not. However, our current technology DOES allow for enclosed environments. Think about it. We already have a space station in progress, and we do have submarines, which are totally air-tight and enclosed environments. Also, if you want something kind of cool to think about, the gas density on Venus is such that, given a "dome" or "sphere" type of colony of sufficient gas volume (breathable air inside), it could float, much like how helium is much less dense than our own breathable air. There is a strata in their atmoshpere that gets to be about 50F during the day (pretty high up) so a colony of the right size could float up there...if we wanted it to.
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07-25-2007, 07:51 AM	#62
~~ArmedDrunk&Angry~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Long Island Posts: 6,969	The books Saobh mentioned were about terraforming Mars so you could walk in the open. They were also about the politcs of colonization but that is another thread.

07-25-2007, 12:59 PM	#65
~~ArmedDrunk&Angry~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Long Island Posts: 6,969	It's vitally important to some people to appear smarter and more knowledgeable. They like to give the impression that everyone else are just dumb sheep and they are genius level wolves who know the real truth. It's a self esteem issue.

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