Use of Napalm & Chemical weapons in Iraq

[cleaver_simian]

Originally Posted by BrokenArrow

i suggest you read Generation Kill or Black Hawk Down, .

Aint read it, but got Black Hawk Down on DVD, great film. If anything good comes out of war it's the movies, I'm sure this war will cause a few crackers!

Oh about people leaving Fallujah... if the Iraqis invaded your home city/town and told you to leave... would you?!

[[R-DEV]Eddie Baker]

Originally Posted by YoJimbO

With that I agree. Also they aren't technically banned for America, because the US didn't sign the treaty stating that these "banned chemical weapons" shouldn't be used.

They refused to agree with that ruling. Does this make the US another rogue nation as well as Iraq because they're using internationally banned weapons, then?

I've done some research and not been able to find the existence of ANY treaty banning white phosphorus. The US is not a signatory of Protocol III of the CCWC, but even that article does not ban WP. If indeed no such treaty exists, I think this is another statement intended to provoke. "Washington did not sign an international agreement banning its use" if there is no such treaty. Protocol III does not even say napalm cannot be used at all, just not under specific circumstances.

[NikovK]

"The fact that the insurgents themsleves didn't flush the people out of the city, is this your case for the discussion? That it makes it ok to just let rip into a crowd of civilians, just because you think there are suspects in that crowd that didn't tell the civilians to leave?"

*spits the words out of his mouth*

[YoJimbO]

Originally Posted by NikovK

*spits the words out of his mouth*

NikovK, you've lost me, please elaborate on what you're trying to suggest/explain...

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Eddie Baker

just not under specific circumstances.

Originally Posted by Protocol III of Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons

Use of incendiary weapons prohibited for attacking civilians

And that is the problem I have with the whole thing, in a nutshell. It HAS hit civilians, technically they weren't directly "attacked" because they were not the targets, which brings us back to the undeniable fact that the order to use this stuff should not have been made, because it was in an urban setting, where civilians lived.

[cleaver_simian]

Originally Posted by NikovK

"The fact that the insurgents themsleves didn't flush the people out of the city, is this your case for the discussion? That it makes it ok to just let rip into a crowd of civilians, just because you think there are suspects in that crowd that didn't tell the civilians to leave?"

*spits the words out of his mouth*

Uhh... NikovK... who was that aimed at?

[NikovK]

Originally Posted by cleaver_simian

Oh about people leaving Fallujah... if the Iraqis invaded your home city/town and told you to leave... would you?!

Hmm.

If I lived in a city known widely as a base for resistance fighters I did NOT agree with, and a large, mechanized army rumbled into the next county over and suggested I leave in three week's time, I'd pack up the donkey cart with the nessecities, hide the valuables in the basement, and haul some ass.

[NikovK]

You know what? I'm getting out of this thread. Have fun.

[cleaver_simian]

Originally Posted by NikovK

Hmm.

If I lived in a city known widely as a base for resistance fighters I did NOT agree with, and a large, mechanized army rumbled into the next county over and suggested I leave in three week's time, I'd pack up the donkey cart with the nessecities, hide the valuables in the basement, and haul some ass.

Hmm, you have much less pride and heart as those Iraqis then. Any idea where you'd leave with maybe your family into a scoarching hot desert... How big is this donkey you speak of?

[Enforcer1975]

Originally Posted by YoJimbO

With that I agree. Also they aren't technically banned for America, because the US didn't sign the treaty stating that these "banned chemical weapons" shouldn't be used.
They refused to agree with that ruling. Does this make the US another rogue nation as well as Iraq because they're using internationally banned weapons, then?

In the eyes of some anti-americanists...yes

btw... why is our Russia or what's left of it not affected by their own kind of "anti-russian-movement"? Because they don't give a damn.

USA = EVIL even if they do right, some geeks always try to find anything to find something bad in what they achieved. ( not my opinion! )

[NikovK]

Right. So if I don't agree with the local Communist Student's Union that has siezed armed control of Lexington, I should stick around to become a corpse to be broadcast across the globe about the brutality of the National Guard, who's cause I agreed with.

If I were an Iraqi civilian in Falluja and did not agree with the resistance and preferred the hopes of a freely-elected Iraqi government as promised by the multinational occupation force, I would leave rather than get shot on accident and then used as photographic evidence of how evil the Americans are.

No, Simian. I'm not stupid. I'm not going to be used against what I beleive in. I'm not going to be goaded around over "pride and heart" to become a martyr to a cause I loathe.

I, a civilian, will leave a battlefield where I have no place save to die for my enemy's convenience.

Now that I have defended myself against a personal insult, I am leaving this discussion which would yield no positive results and already has been reduced to personal insults.