Vatican stops support of Amnesty International

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

like the vatican is one to be commenting on morality, what with all the corruption and cover up the catholic church has displayed
So who will comment on morality ? Larry Flynt ?
Your argument makes no sense.
I think abortion is a necessary evil and should be legal, but of course I wasn't asked my opinion on the matter the Supremes created a law by fiat.
The Catholic church has certain precepts that their morality is drawn from. One of those is that life is a gift from the Almighty and is not to be taken lightly.
So we have courts to determine if your crime warrants killing you.
But if you want to have unprotected sex with a man you don't plan on marrying and starting a family then you should have the "right" to kill an human being because it would be inconvenient for you ?

The arguments about the savagery of some cultures toward women is moot because those cultures will never allow abortion on demand even in the case of rape.

[Lothrian]

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

The arguments about the savagery of some cultures toward women is moot because those cultures will never allow abortion on demand even in the case of rape.

No, this is about the vatican demanding catholics halt the funding of an organisation who can help people in these cultures. Sure, they cant change a culture, but they can help an individual.

[[R-MOD]dunehunter]

Amnesty International and Unicef are trying to help those women in those cultures, and since the Vatican does not agree with that, they decided to withdraw their funding, -and- advice Christians to do the same, even though Amnesty International is trying to help prevent people from going after Christians in multiple countries.

[sekiryu]

You thought Amnesty International was a PMC?

That's what I thought, after watching a couple PMC documentaries, and hearing Amnesty International referenced, with no actual description of what the hell it was.

But if you want to have unprotected sex with a man you don't plan on marrying and starting a family then you should have the "right" to kill an human being because it would be inconvenient for you ?

No. If you get knocked unconcious, and sexually ravaged by someone you've never seen in your life, then get pregnant with a bastard child, then you should have the right to kill the monstrocity.

[Lothrian]

Actually, the baby did nothing wrong. You'd have to be one heck of a mother not to treat the child like the spawn of satan after going through a psychological ordeal like that.
That's not to say its not impossible, instead I have the greatest admiration for those who choose to become mothers through an event like that and still raise the child as it should be (as an innocent casualty).

My personal view is there should not be a blanket ban because all cases are different. Some may lead to happy prosperous lives, others lives of abuse, someone death before birth anyway with the mother murdered. Each case is unique, and should be treated as such - without meddling from external politics.

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

No, this is about the Vatican demanding catholics halt the funding of an organization who can help people in these cultures. Sure, they cant change a culture, but they can help an individual.
You are missing the point.
You must change the culture before these services can be made available.
The people who's culture you are changing may not like it or agree with you.
You come from America
They hate America.
Starting to get the picture ?
It's not McDonalds or the Army that scares the shiite out of Muslims worldwide, it's Planned Parenthood and Britteny Spears.


No. If you get knocked unconscious, and sexually ravaged by someone you've never seen in your life, then get pregnant with a bastard child, then you should have the right to kill the monstrosity
I don't know the numbers worldwide and I'm sure they are different from the single digit percentages in the US but, but, that does not make an innocent child a " monstrosity" worthy of a summary execution with no trial, no jury and no judge.
If your savage out of date "civilization" does not respect the sanctity of human life then I spit on your "civilization" and kindly request you join the 21st century.
But I can't say that can I ?
I must act as if whatever barbarism you perform on your people is your " cultural right" and I have no ability to judge your actions outside of your own cultural norms.
That would make me a racist or a bigot wouldn't it ?

[sekiryu]

Innocent child? I don't consider it a child until the heart and brain develop.

[[R-MOD]Saobh]

Originally Posted by sekiryu

Innocent child? I don't consider it a child until the heart and brain develop.

8 weeks (condition at start of fetal stage). The risk of miscarriage decreases sharply at the beginning of the fetal stage.[5] At this point, all major structures, including hands, feet, head, brain, and other organs are present, but they continue to grow, develop, and become more functional.[6] When the fetal stage commences, a fetus is typically about 30 mm (1.2 inches) in length, and the heart is beating.[7] The fetus bends the head, and also makes general movements and startles that involve the whole body.[8] Brain stem activity has been detected as early as 54 days after conception.[9] Some fingerprint formation can be seen from the beginning of the fetal stage.

source

Viability is an other question (around 5 months)

But in the end if the mother doesn't want it and as society already does a poor job for those who where wanted, abortion will stay a necessary evil.

The day society will be a bit more human and responsible that'll be the day when abortion becomes a memory.

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

Innocent child? I don't consider it a child until the heart and brain develop.
It is alive.
It is growing.
If it is not a human child then what is it ?

[[R-MOD]Saobh]

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

Innocent child? I don't consider it a child until the heart and brain develop.
It is alive.
It is growing.
If it is not a human child then what is it ?

Humm beg to differ here:

child (chld)
n. pl. chil·dren (chldrn)
1. A person between birth and puberty.

So no we're not talking about a "child" here.