an e-mail i recieved today... karma

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

LOL
I'm with you there and her skeletal buddy Richie too.

[Guerra norte]

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

keep alienating Muslims
I try to learn as much as I can about the religion and political-social motivations behind current movements

Good for you

but what about alienating Christians....that is OK ?

No, why would that be any different??

I can understand you not wanting to see US programs in your country but isn't that a matter for the free market ?
If people in your country didn't watch the programs then advertisers wouldn't pay for them.

I agree, I'm surrounded by un-creative mindless sheeple who can't create good entertainment by them self, so they just import whatever from the US. Really, some American shows are really good, but the way I perceive most of them is just action filled mindless crap with strong undertones saying: Do as us, we're right, everyone else is wrong etc...

useless propaganda

It's also possible that Americans are tired of listening to how "enlightened" and "benevolent" the EU is when we see that you behave in much the same manner that we do. No surprise there as our population contains elements from your society and it is more often the pot calling the kettle black.

The EU can go **** it self, it's been trying to steal my nations oil for over 30 years, haven't succeeded yet

[Taffy]

I agree. I'm fed up with the b*llshit media view that 'we should treat them with respect' Pure BS. No we shouldn't. We should be roughing them up a bit, and letting the terrorists know that if and when we capture them were gonna make sure they regret every single thing they ever did wrong. God damn liberal media just wants to have a go at everyone involved with Iraq, just because they have lost a couple of reporters out there.

Hope I don't get banned for that, but it's what I think.

[Taffy]

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

God is in the eye of the beholder and I have pity on you if you are an atheist.

But how can you prove God, Allah, or any other Diety actually exists? Religious people have lot's of flaws in their argument.

Take an example. Say that there are two groups debating: those who say pigs can fly, and those that say they can't. Those who say they can have no proof, no solid proof, whatsoever. Yet we can see, by looking at a pig, that they clearly cannot fly, so until the other side prove they can, they can't.

Now let's implement a diety (for sake of easiness, let's call him G) into that debate. Those who believe in G, those who don't. Again, no physical proof of G, so therefore common sense would presume that G doesn't exist. Those who believe G does exist need to prove it before I believe in it. No-one has yet convinced me to believe, despite going to church for many years in my early life and several of my good friends being christians.

I think that religion is partly good, because it gives people that need something to believe in something to believe in. But it's negative aspects outweigh the positive, in my view.

RANT:

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

It's also possible that Americans are tired of listening to how "enlightened" and "benevolent" the EU is when we see that you behave in much the same manner that we do. No surprise there as our population contains elements from your society and it is more often the pot calling the kettle black.

The EU? Screw the EU! The EU make no good decisions! I do not, I never have, and I never will recognise the EU as a governing authority over HM Parliament and the Monarch. EU laws should only be used in Britain if they suit us. That's what the French do, so why can't we? The EU can suck my big hairy balls, and no-one should listen to it. Ignore it and it'll go away, with any luck. /Rant

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

We do need to treat them with respect but that doesn't mean we can't rough them up if that is effective.
I don't think some mild slapping around will affect them though, I think they are much tougher than that.
They don't feel that resisting the US is wrong and you can not fault them for that.
Killing women and children as well as civilian men in pointless bombings is wrong, by anybody's standards and that is what needs to be condemned by the Muslim community at large.
For the most part is not considered acceptable by most Muslims but we don't hear that in the news unless we look deep for it.
TV is a medium for sales and as such will do whatever makes the most money.
We need more education, on TV, about why they are willing to die for their beliefs and why they are a tiny percentage of Muslims overall.
There are over a billion Muslims, not all or even most, Arab and yet we are only fighting....what 10,000 at the most ....maybe 50,000 worldwide.
There is a reason for that but you don't hear it from TV and you certainly don't hear it from the right wing elements.



EDIT: now this might get me in trouble but I have NEVER thought of people from the UK as Europeans.

[Guerra norte]

Hmm, I was going to post a long response here, but it seems like the topic is starting slide into existential question which we all know is completly pointless to discuss.

I will say this though; According to theory of probability, the universe is a computer simulation, do you belive that?

edit - didn't see AD&A's post before this one so looks like it's not falling off topic..
Anyway, dicussing things like these on the intranetz is pointless in my opinion, and I've said my thing so I'm off to kill a couple of polygons

[::Major_Baker::]

This is a very poorly written piece. Emabarrassing, really. And was it a new jersey housewife, a soldier's wife, or just some 'freelance columnist' that actually wrote this piece? I'll go with Doug Patton, a freelance columnist and political speechwriter. And don't forget the icing on the cake that was left off by Doug: "I don't give a sheet about these sheet-heads either"

Good try trying to make this sound like the mainstream voice of America though.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia .

So, we can't be above these zealots? We want to be equal with fanatics? not me.

I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.

This part is equating islam with 'these thugs' who cut of Berg's head? I'll care about Islam when 3 murderous assholes are sorry?

I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.

Yeah, 'fight like men' against M1 abrams and precision air strikes? It's quite obvious why their tactics are used the way they are.--otherwise this war would have been over long ago.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

Again, why are we trying to be on the same level as these shitbags? You can equate yourselves with them, I'll stand above them thank you very much.

When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I don't care.

This was a tragic event that may have greatly stained the perception of US forces.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don't care.

Actually, neither do I.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and --you guessed it -- I don't care ! ! ! ! !

Armed, you post tripe like this, defend it, and then pretend that you are trying to ''learn about Islam'? Comical.

Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country! And may I add:

Non-sensical. How is deleting/not deleting this email going to affect the actions of radical muslims?

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
1. Jesus Christ
2. The American G. I.

Jesus didn't die for me, thank you very much.

This email is for the short-sighted, uneducated among us. No offense to your woman AD&A.

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

Good try trying to make this sound like the mainstream voice of America though.

I said no such thing. It was e-mailed to me as-is.
But since you mentioned it, how do you know that it is not the mainstream voice ? Because you don't agree with it and every intelligent person must think like you ?

Armed, you post tripe like this, defend it, and then pretend that you are trying to ''learn about Islam'? Comical.

You are relatively meaningless to me and I wouldn't bother to "pretend" anything for you.
It's an chain e mail so .... they all say that.
I don't know if Jesus of Nazareth died for you but I'm pretty sure there is a soldier or Marine named Jesus ( pronounced Heyzoos ) who did die for you in some conflict in the last 100 years.

I did not put this forward as paradigm of tolerance and most people don't understand the mechanics of unconventional warfare so the tactic used by insurgents do appear to lack courage. Killing hundreds at a mosque is certainly the act of a coward that is for sure.

Here is a redacted version of the e-mail that more closely mirrors my feelings and hopefully won't offend your tender sensibilities.
( Italics and underlining are mine )

we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by RADICAL Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 ?

Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania? Did nearly
three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was
"desecrated" when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?...Well, I don't. I don't care at all.
( BTW ....this never happpened....more media Bullsh t )


I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia .


I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs. I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.

When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I don't care.
( they don't care about the abuse, it was the sex related acts that disgust and enrage them whereas we don't care about the sex but slapping a terrorist disgusts and enrages us )

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts: I don't care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and --you guessed it -- I don't care ! ! ! ! !



Now it's time to follow El Vikingo and get some of those dirty polygons.

[General_J0k3r]

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

keep alienating Muslims
I try to learn as much as I can about the religion and political-social motivations behind current movements but what about alienating Christians....that is OK ?

I can understand you not wanting to see US programs in your country but isn't that a matter for the free market ?
If people in your country didn't watch the programs then advertisers wouldn't pay for them.

markets don't work in media. read up on basic economics .

i'm in favor of alienating all religious people btw. i personally don't need a complete moral framework to decide what's right and wrong. less so i need someone to tell me i behave amorally if i have sex before marriage (marriage sucks anyway, except the tax benefits u get ).

[::Major_Baker::]

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

We do need to treat them with respect but that doesn't mean we can't rough them up if that is effective.
I don't think some mild slapping around will affect them though, I think they are much tougher than that.
They don't feel that resisting the US is wrong and you can not fault them for that.
Killing women and children as well as civilian men in pointless bombings is wrong, by anybody's standards and that is what needs to be condemned by the Muslim community at large.
For the most part is not considered acceptable by most Muslims but we don't hear that in the news unless we look deep for it.
TV is a medium for sales and as such will do whatever makes the most money.
We need more education, on TV, about why they are willing to die for their beliefs and why they are a tiny percentage of Muslims overall.
There are over a billion Muslims, not all or even most, Arab and yet we are only fighting....what 10,000 at the most ....maybe 50,000 worldwide.
There is a reason for that but you don't hear it from TV and you certainly don't hear it from the right wing elements.
.

Ok, it seems you are trying to understand. Disregard my previous comment, but man, you gotta stop defending crappy emails like this if you are going to try to understand this phenomenon that is extremist islam.