21st Century Civil War

[[R-MOD]Saobh]

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

I doubt they are serious but simply trying to get attention to problems with the system.
They have legitimate complaints but as usual they go overboard.

Well as you ever really get heard,if you propose a rather extreme or wacky idea, its pretty sensible to 'sex it up' () if you want it to be heard in a wide way.

Thats human nature, which is x10 in the US for some strange reason

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

Vermont is a wanna-be communist state.
They have a huge tax base with IBM and other tech companies so they feel that they are not bound by the forces that effect the rest of the country.
If the did succeed in secession the corporations would leave and so would all the rich elite that find fault with America, leaving the state a 3rd world country begging for handouts.
A microcosm of the larger events.... if I don't get my way then I run away.

[JohnnyPissoff]

If they did succeed in secession or even bring it up in legislation, it would have in my opinion a desired domino effect on the other marginalized states.

I wouldn't think of it as a future communist state, I'd see it more like a Social Economic Democracy much like the Scandinavian countries.

Stalin and Mao gave communism a black eye mainly because Russia and China were peasant states eager for continual dictatorial hierarchies. Marx's vision of communism had an industrial state in mind with an established middle class much like Germany and England back when he wrote his Manifesto.

The notion of taking from the rich and giving to the poor is poorly illustrated. It should be more likened to "milking the rich" by allowing them to produce and prosper with a educated and healthy working class behind them.

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

sounds nice
but the rich aren't cows and won't readily agree to being "milked"

[Expendable Grunt]

Vermont, the pathetic state.

[DOAW]

I like Vermont, but we do get some strange ones up here.

[JohnnyPissoff]

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

sounds nice
but the rich aren't cows and won't readily agree to being "milked"

Here's how its done:
You tax the hell out of Multinationals doing business in your state. For example; tax Coca-cola 90% of their in-state revenues, see if they object to being milked and split the state to leave the profits to Pepsi-cola. If they raise their prices? RC-cola steps in to undercut them. Either way the state wins. OK so what if they tax AnhauserBush (Budweiser Beer) 90% and they raise beer prices sky high? A local brewery undercuts the MultiNational beer brand and all the money stays in the state.

After having done that and to fill in the gap, you allow free enterprise to flourish by not charging any taxes on small business nor personal income tax. In lieu of charging the High Income Earners a Income Tax, you charge a luxury or high consumption tax. If the rich threaten to leave the state? You create a comfortable environment. You obliterate property taxation so they can build massive homes and enjoy the security in knowing they pay all the bills so now they can strut their stuff without guilt or shame or taxes.

Here's one thing to consider if you seriously want to stimulate an economy; the rich get a tax break they invest it in the securities markets (Capitalism; allowing money to make money) That money never circulates except via High Interest Rate Loans. the Middle Class on the other hand get a tax break they directly circulate their money by spending on goods and services.

[Batalla35]

anyway you are lucky having this kind of separatist ....Im talking about this

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...eut/index.html

now we have to leave again with the car bombs and headshots in europe....a shame.

its incredible to see the cnn calling rebels to a group of killers .....they kill the grandfather of my own nephew with one shot in the head on the back when he was with his little son just for been professor in the university and dont be a separatist basque....
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index...pen&of=eng-esp

[1_MAN_WRECKING_CREW]

interesting reading.. its good to have some intelligent motherfkers n here..

[Expendable Grunt]

Why does everyone rag on the rich? It's not their fault you suck at money making...