Jihad against "western civilization"???

[Kruder]

"all you need for a jihad war against Western civilization"

this writes in the description of an insurgent kit.

For example did any bomb explode in germany,france,sweden ,switzerland greece italy netherlands etc. etc. australia, canada ,do the jihadists wage war against or threaten them ??Arent these countries part of western civ. you speak of?

Only threats they've faced so far were about leaving iraq(australia one example iirc), if they had any.The bombs in 7/7 were set off because UK had troops in Iraq and was a powerfull ally of US ,they did not select UK as a target for being a democratic goverment.(no comment included)

Do you think this jihad has nothing to do with Iraq invasion or Palestine-Israel conflict or US&UK politics of past decades in middleast?I am not trying to imply anything btw,like what they did were wrong or right,(no comment included again).

Or do you think those bombs only exploded in west?
no they did in Pakistan(which is an islamic republic),Turkey,India Algeria,, Turkmenistan,Indonesia and ofcourse Iraq and Afghanistan.

Or did you mean by western civilization US and its allies??

So i think talking bush-style (defenders of western civ.) is kind of offending.

P.S:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda
go read what they say about their enemies in their fatwas,the term they use is not "western civilization",it is "US and its allies" that they define as their enemy.

[eddie]

IBTL. This is gonna go down faster than a hookers knickers. Sorry.

[.:iGi:.BLACKWIRE]

Ehhh?!! Most pointless thread award candidate me thinks..

[El_Vikingo]

Hate towards western civilization? Don't they know the world is round? Why do they hate themselves?!

[com_kieffer]

maybe France hasn't been bombed yet but that's because we have foiled every attack the same goes for germany with which the frebch police collaborates alot

[Kruder]

Originally Posted by BLACKWIRE

Ehhh?!! Most pointless thread award candidate me thinks..

That is why it is in off-topic...

And i didnt want to start a debate.If thread is going to be locked can somebody at least inform me about who wrote that phrase or maybe author sends a p.m so i can discuss this with him.

[SiN|ScarFace]

Things are portrayed black and white so it's easy for simpletons to get behind the cause on both sides. Really it's a convoluted mess that isn't good for sound bites and campaign messages. It's bullshit politics, cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, good vs evil ect. Thats the way people want to see the world and thats how it gets presented.

There is no jihad against the "western civilization" and all who live that way, obviously as you pointed out. If you say the base wants to kill everyone, that allows for fear to touch more people and you get more potential support for your GWOT.

[Royalwolf]

Kruder, grats on being another victim to your regions political and religious subliminal notions to the justification of violence.

[Kruder]

Originally Posted by Royalwolf

Kruder, grats on being another victim to your regions political and religious subliminal notions to the justification of violence.

Well i dont know what grats means,
but i am an atheist dont believe in allah god mohammed or jesus(it is obvious these two lived) if that is what you imply,

when istanbul was shaken with 2 simultaneous suicide bombers back in fall of 2003 i heart the goddamn explosions from my bed(british consulate bombing) which were committed by al-queada and as you can imagine i fucking hate them,and we(turkish) also suffered from local extremist islamic terrorist organizations in mid 90s,which killed journalists writers or professors long before al-quade was even founded.

i dont symptheasize or support killing innocent lives,whatever the reason is,i hope all of them rot in their fucking hell,be it a christian jew or muslim.

What i am simply saying is they are not bombing some of the western nations because they are democratic or because women and men make love the way they want ,they target these countries because they either suppport US&ISRAEL&UK or an ally of these goverments.Hence the Pakistan and Istanbul bombings.

But this jihad against western civiliization is very similair to the sayings of Bush "conducting crusade,attacks against western civilization" etc. which is utterly bullshit and it is all part of a process creating a streotype cavemen muslim suicide bomber terrorist in minds of the public ,who is killing innocent western ppl just because they are western.It is what "think-tanks" want you to think.

Scarface got the point and thx for that

edit:

Originally Posted by com_kieffer

maybe France hasn't been bombed yet but that's because we have foiled every attack the same goes for germany with which the frebch police collaborates alot

Dou you have any links,i regularly check this kind of stuff from international media,but havent read something like that,i dont mean anything tbh,i just want to read about it.

[Lugubrum]

You say countries like The Netherlands won't be attacked because The Netherlands didn't partisipate in US/UK wars (correct me if I'm wrong)? But The Netherlands is in Afganistan right now. And maybe you think terrorism is not in The Netherlands but for example several people have been caught with terrorist plans and weapons (grenades, guns etc) in the last years. And remember that Theo van Gogh was killed:

http://www.theovangogh.nl/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_va...lm_director%29