MY Carbon Footprint is Bigger Than Yours

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

Join me and kill a tree.
If you think carbon credits are a fraud then visit this site and put your money where your mouth is.
I will be wearing my shirt to the next hippie music festival my brother drags me too.
http://www.carboncreditkillers.com/default.asp

[Kensei]

This is brilliant. People who believe all that hooplah about global warming are nutty. Example, it's been so abnormally cold here in Texas that it definitely disproves global warming!!

Oh wait... one sec... I'm getting a transmission... It's Sir Isaac Newton, he's telling me something about a 3rd law & equality or equating.... for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction?!? WTF? Ahh! EUREKA! So he's saying that if it's abnormally cold here it must be abnormally hot somewhere else... hrrmm... I don't know if I buy all this garbage, I mean after all a democrat named Al Gore did actually repeat what geo-physicist & other scientists have been preaching all along...













Nothing aimed at you AD&A, I've just heard many people try to discredit the fact that changes are happening in our global climate & it makes me sad that people are blind and don't realize that in 1976 the first artic-shelf broke off (the size of conneticut), and progressively it has gotten worst over the years (like the new one that broke off the size of Rhode Island).


I've actually had people tell me "If it's global warming, than why is it so cold?!? Explain that!" <--lol

They should have called it "Global weathering" so that their would exist less confusion.

[El_Vikingo]

People make so money in so many ways it's scary. What happened to good ol'prostitution?

[General_J0k3r]

roflmao

all i have to say

[Expendable Grunt]

Carbon Credits = Crock o' t3h shit.

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

Micheal Crichton " State of Fear"
A great book and one that presents a wealth of data that shows we are not the cause of global warming.
It also mentions that the polar ice caps have been melting for 6,000 years and now are beginning to thicken.
It makes a great point that the science behind "global warming" is weak at best and often outright fraudulent.
Carbon credits are without a doubt a fraud, a new age papal dispensation that allows the rich and famous to continue their lifestyle while pretending to "do something" about "global warming".
The CO2 level is rising but beyond that there is little data to back up the " crisis" and " catastrophe" that many are warning about.
Another subject that was similar in outlook was Eugenics, accepted worldwide by the "reputable" scientific community and now ...well after the failed painter's experiments at it nobody will lay claim to ever believing in it.
Global warming is the left's religion, all based on faith with very little data to back it up and a whole witch's brew of hate for anyone who disagrees with it.
Ask anyone and most people will agree that there is global warming and that ALL the scienctist agree.
Then go read about the subject and you find that more disagree than agree.
I know that when I was a kid ( 30 years ago ) it snowed and the snow stayed and that is no longer the case in NY but that alone does not mean we HAVE to reduce emissions by 60-80% in the next five years or face global catastophe.

[mrmong]

hah what a stupid website,

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

Well if you don't like that is a ringing endoresment for others I would think.

[Kensei]

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

Micheal Crichton " State of Fear"
A great book and one that presents a wealth of data that shows we are not the cause of global warming.
It also mentions that the polar ice caps have been melting for 6,000 years and now are beginning to thicken.
It makes a great point that the science behind "global warming" is weak at best and often outright fraudulent.
Carbon credits are without a doubt a fraud, a new age papal dispensation that allows the rich and famous to continue their lifestyle while pretending to "do something" about "global warming".
The CO2 level is rising but beyond that there is little data to back up the " crisis" and " catastrophe" that many are warning about.
Another subject that was similar in outlook was Eugenics, accepted worldwide by the "reputable" scientific community and now ...well after the failed painter's experiments at it nobody will lay claim to ever believing in it.
Global warming is the left's religion, all based on faith with very little data to back it up and a whole witch's brew of hate for anyone who disagrees with it.
Ask anyone and most people will agree that there is global warming and that ALL the scienctist agree.
Then go read about the subject and you find that more disagree than agree.
I know that when I was a kid ( 30 years ago ) it snowed and the snow stayed and that is no longer the case in NY but that alone does not mean we HAVE to reduce emissions by 60-80% in the next five years or face global catastophe.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming...e-of-fear.html



TOPICS COVERED INCLUDE:

(A.) How was Michael Crichton able to take the same data that climate scientists use and come to the conclusion that global warming isn’t a real threat?

(B.) State of Fear uses graphs that don’t show a warming trend. How can specific locations show cooling if global warming is happening?

(C.) What is the “urban heat island effect” and is it contributing to warming?

(D.) Crichton argues that C02 in the atmosphere is not closely correlated with warming trends. So why is C02 blamed as a greenhouse gas?

(E.) Several times Crichton notes that glaciers are expanding not retreating. Is this accurate or only part of the story?

(F.) Michael Crichton says we can’t predict the future. Does this preclude our taking steps to reduce heat trapping gas emissions?

(G.) Why do we have to act now to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels?

Some of the points covered at the given URL...


4. Crichton argues that C02 in the atmosphere is not closely correlated with warming trends. So why is C02 blamed as a greenhouse gas?



Over a century ago, scientists researching CO2 discovered that the earth’s temperature is very sensitive to small changes in atmospheric CO2. Crichton’s novel includes a graph showing the relationship between global average temperatures and atmospheric CO2 levels between 1880 and 2003. This graph shows a broad correlation between temperature and CO2, although some time periods do not match up. A character in the novel asks, “So, if rising carbon dioxide is the cause of rising temperatures, why didn’t it cause temperatures to rise from 1940 to 1970?”

The answer is that CO2 is only one of several factors that influence temperature, such as volcanic eruptions, solar variability, sulfur dioxide emissions (see Figure 1), and small changes in the earth’s orbit. The combined impact of all effects was cooling for those middle decades of the 20th century. When climate scientists look at the entire last century, however, they are unable to explain the significant temperature increases solely from natural causes. Only when the trends for human-induced heat-trapping gases, sulfur dioxide emissions, soot, ozone, and land use changes are also included do the hindcast model results (Figure 3) and the recorded reality match up. This is particularly true of the pronounced warming that has occurred since 1970.


5. Several times Crichton notes that glaciers are expanding not retreating. Is this accurate or only part of the story?


Mr. Crichton picks evidence that supports his position and then sprinkles this data throughout the novel. He discusses the advance of many glaciers in Iceland and Norway, for example, while the evidence for accelerated melting of the major Greenland ice sheet is ignored. The rapid melting of the Kilimanjaro glacier is mentioned only to be dismissed. Crichton doesn't let the reader know, however, that this ice sheet has survived the past 11,000 years, including a 300 year long African mega-drought. At present rates of melting, Mt. Kilimanjaro glacier is likely to be gone before 2020. Most other tropical glaciers studied are also undergoing unprecedented retreat, and big changes are also underway in Antarctica. The Larsen B ice shelf, for example, broke up in 2002 in response to coastal warming, after having survived for more than 12,000 years. The precise mechanism responsible for these massive events is a matter of lively inquiry in the scientific literature, but the fact that they are all happening now that human activities have increased the atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration to a level not seen over the past 400,000 years, after having survived millennia, is powerful circumstantial evidence that should not be lightly dismissed.







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Archer, D., H. Kheshgi, and E. Maier-Reimer, Dynamics of fossil fuel CO2 neutralization by marine CaCO3, Global Biogeochemal Cycles, 12, 259-276, 1998.

Archer, D., H. Kheshgi, and E. Maier-Riemer, Multiple timescales for neutralization of fossil fuel CO2, Geophysical Research Letters, 24, 405-408, 1997.

EPA (2002), Inventory of U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks: 1990 -2000, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Office of Atmospheric Programs, EPA 430-R-02-003, www.epa.gov/globalwarming/publications/emissions

EPA (2000) http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/ ClimateTrendsTemperature.html

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I am not a politician. I'm also not a left or right wing; I prefer data analysis myself. I don't trust people when they have a motive, everyone seems to "go native". I see physical changes across the face of the Earth, not just what I hear a reporter or politician say... I hear of events of birds freezing because they chose not to go South for winter. Deer drowning because the frozen ponds they usually run across aren't so thin...

If these climate changes are "normal" but we just never saw them due to us being around for such an insignificant amount of time then please explain why animals are making mistakes that are killing them? Dolphins and other Marine life beaching themselves, thousands of bees leaving their homes at the wrong time? The world rotates and revolves around the sun the way it always has, life exist due to patterns (oscillation); that's how creatures & plant life know when to go into the mode that is fitting to the season.

Apparently your man (mentioned above) is affiliated with George Bush, I see a motive...

Not to mention I have known for years how to run combustion engines using water... But we are in a fuel crisis?!?! Give me a break, they know how, just like I do. Seperate water into two gasses (hydrogen & Oxygen) by using electric current to seperate them. Then combust the hydrogen & oxygen in the appropriate amounts (related to amount of force petroleum allots). Worried about rust you say?!? Why, at roughly 1,100 degrees farenheit it will be in it's gaseous state (steam and will act as a gas not causing oxidation).

BTW: For those of you who argue with my temperature data WRT combustion engines, I encourage you to think about where the thermometer is located that goes to your guages... It's not inside the combustion chamber, and the temperature is hotter there.



^This = free electricity & fuel for all kinds of shit... I don't believe anything these fools tell me. I observe, and I urge you all to do the same.

[trogdor1289]

As far as I know it from my kinda informed opinion. The Earth on the whole is getting warmer whether it is natural warming, man made or whatever this climate change yes I said climate change will have drastic effects and no matter what you say the amount of carbon we are putting out is not helping.