Saving Private Ryan

[[R-MOD]Bob_Marley]

Originally Posted by youm0nt

How come no one talks about The Longest Day?

Because they suck.

"Anything mechanical, give it a good wack!"

[HABO3]

Originally Posted by [R-PUB]MrD

pah! Hollywood Smollywood

watch :

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0386064/

for the same cinematography, sound effects, only with real heartfelt emotion and a storyline to boot.

Oh please, Tae Guk Gi is more Hollywood than Hollywood. Typical korean soap opera drama with war as a background. This isn't the first time I've seen a Brit try to emit a sense of higher taste by naming off a film in another language other than english. It's a Saving Private Ryan clone in every way and it has just as many "nick of time" scenes, factual errors and impossibilities as SPR. I've watched war movies from alot of countries but TGG is a carbon copy of SPR all the way. There isn't a war movie in the world that doesn't portray the home countries soldiers as brave super heroes. But a lot of people forget just how propangandic WWII movies of the past were. I mean I've been renting some of the old war movies lately and they're RREEAAALLLYYY bad. I mean you got marines landing on the beaches with celebratory marching band music playing in the background, it makes it seem like war is this grand epic adventure. SPR sure changed all that, I mean American film studios did make anti-war movies about Vietnam because a large majority were against that war but no one was giving the gritty realities of WWII in such bloody detail before SPR...because that was the war everyone agreed had to happen to rid the world of evil ya know? Therefore, no reason to show the awful horrors of WWII; until SPR changed the standard for all war movies.

Anyways, yes there is some horseshit in SPR but I did read part of a book about Rangers in WWII (called Rangers in World War Two ) that mentions a fight in Africa where tanks and infantry (don't remember if they were Italian or German) attempted to attack a town held by a company of Rangers and their tanks were defeated with Molotav Cocktails, sticky bombs and bazookas when they drove right up the main road into town. Now would the Germans have driven a Tiger tank up a narrow street like that if they were smart? I don't know but I don't see how it is entirely impossible, like every European thinks, that they could defeat a tank in such a way. There's a scene in Stalingrad (1993) where the German infantry defeat about 5 T-34s in a few minutes, why isn't anyone calling bullshit on that? And every European always talks about how invincible the Americans are in SPR. Um did you watch the first 30 minutes of the movie or did you not notice that between the Ranger squad and the Airborne squad only Reiben and Ryan made it out alive from the bridge battle? Pure Anti-Americanism. Bravo Two Zero showed the Iraqis as cannon fodder just the same as Germans in SPR.

And talking about patriotic overtones, what do you think Tae Guk Gi means in Korean? It's the name of the South Korean flag (and Korean Flag flag prewar before North and South divided). Where's all the shit flingin over that? I bet if SPR was called "The American Flag" every European would balk non-stop at all the "Americanism" the film contained. Like what do y'all expect? I'm sorry Germany can't make a nice film about their soldiers deeds, y'all were the bad guys twice unfortunately, France retreated and Canada doesn't have the budget. And I guess English studios don't have the budget either to make a good one, I'd really like to see a new movie about the British infantry in WWII or the Falklands but the only thing that's come out lately is that god awful Ultimate Force tv show. All SPR was saying is that we should be proud of what our soldiers did, for me personally I had absolutely no idea some of the D-Day beach assaults happened that way, The Longest Day couldn't depict it with such realism and watching Discovery channel shows about it gave me nowhere near the understanding as seeing SPR and for that reason I now have this immense respect for those soldiers who mustered the courage to fight back tyranny when their country asked them to. If your own country doesn't have the means to produce a film that displays how proud they are of their soldiers then that ain't nobodys damn fault, sometimes it seems like y'all are taking out some frustrations on Americans, especially after all the resentment over there towards the war in Iraq.

I'm not saying TGG doesn't have some good stuff in it but it was more obviously influenced by SPR than any of the other war films that have come out since 1998. No one will ever make a 100% realistic war movie, there's always some artistic license. Otherwise you can't spend millions on budget, and expect to draw a crowd.

[[R-DEV]Gaz]

Originally Posted by HABO3

Oh please, Tae Guk Gi is more Hollywood than Hollywood. Typical korean soap opera drama with war as a background. This isn't the first time I've seen a Brit try to emit a sense of higher taste by naming off a film in another language other than english. It's a Saving Private Ryan clone in every way and it has just as many "nick of time" scenes, factual errors and impossibilities as SPR. I've watched war movies from alot of countries but TGG is a carbon copy of SPR all the way. There isn't a war movie in the world that doesn't portray the home countries soldiers as brave super heroes. But a lot of people forget just how propangandic WWII movies of the past were. I mean I've been renting some of the old war movies lately and they're RREEAAALLLYYY bad. I mean you got marines landing on the beaches with celebratory marching band music playing in the background, it makes it seem like war is this grand epic adventure. SPR sure changed all that, I mean American film studios did make anti-war movies about Vietnam because a large majority were against that war but no one was giving the gritty realities of WWII in such bloody detail before SPR...because that was the war everyone agreed had to happen to rid the world of evil ya know? Therefore, no reason to show the awful horrors of WWII; until SPR changed the standard for all war movies.

Anyways, yes there is some horseshit in SPR but I did read part of a book about Rangers in WWII (called Rangers in World War Two ) that mentions a fight in Africa where tanks and infantry (don't remember if they were Italian or German) attempted to attack a town held by a company of Rangers and their tanks were defeated with Molotav Cocktails, sticky bombs and bazookas when they drove right up the main road into town. Now would the Germans have driven a Tiger tank up a narrow street like that if they were smart? I don't know but I don't see how it is entirely impossible, like every European thinks, that they could defeat a tank in such a way. There's a scene in Stalingrad (1993) where the German infantry defeat about 5 T-34s in a few minutes, why isn't anyone calling bullshit on that? And every European always talks about how invincible the Americans are in SPR. Um did you watch the first 30 minutes of the movie or did you not notice that between the Ranger squad and the Airborne squad only Reiben and Ryan made it out alive from the bridge battle? Pure Anti-Americanism. Bravo Two Zero showed the Iraqis as cannon fodder just the same as Germans in SPR.

And talking about patriotic overtones, what do you think Tae Guk Gi means in Korean? It's the name of the South Korean flag (and Korean Flag flag prewar before North and South divided). Where's all the shit flingin over that? I bet if SPR was called "The American Flag" every European would balk non-stop at all the "Americanism" the film contained. Like what do y'all expect? I'm sorry Germany can't make a nice film about their soldiers deeds, y'all were the bad guys twice unfortunately, France retreated and Canada doesn't have the budget. And I guess English studios don't have the budget either to make a good one, I'd really like to see a new movie about the British infantry in WWII or the Falklands but the only thing that's come out lately is that god awful Ultimate Force tv show. All SPR was saying is that we should be proud of what our soldiers did, for me personally I had absolutely no idea some of the D-Day beach assaults happened that way, The Longest Day couldn't depict it with such realism and watching Discovery channel shows about it gave me nowhere near the understanding as seeing SPR and for that reason I now have this immense respect for those soldiers who mustered the courage to fight back tyranny when their country asked them to. If your own country doesn't have the means to produce a film that displays how proud they are of their soldiers then that ain't nobodys damn fault, sometimes it seems like y'all are taking out some frustrations on Americans, especially after all the resentment over there towards the war in Iraq.

I'm not saying TGG doesn't have some good stuff in it but it was more obviously influenced by SPR than any of the other war films that have come out since 1998. No one will ever make a 100% realistic war movie, there's always some artistic license. Otherwise you can't spend millions on budget, and expect to draw a crowd.

Resentment over "there"....where? The UK? I may have picked you up wrong (only reading your post compared with the numerous other posts on the other five pages...).

You one of these people who forgets that British soldiers are fighting and dying over there too, alongside the US guys? If you are, are you another knobber who reads books and is vocal, instead of getting off his ass and serving, THEN having a more true picture to talk about? "My bro" or "My neighbour was there" doesn't count.

I may have picked you up wrong though Think I should go and read the whole thread in case I just tore someone a new arsehole and I was completely off-topic...

[HABO3]

What does me calling out people who are angry at the American government for the war on terror have to do with remembering if British soldiers are serving in Iraq???

I've read the casualty statistics for OIF and OEF many times, I know which countries are participating.

[[R-DEV]Gaz]

hey, I told ya I may have got the wrong end of the stick Forget what I said. I didn'tr read the whole thread, just skim read your post. Apologies

HABO3, on another point, I know that the Stats that the MoD releases have large discrepencies in regards to what *exactly* is classed as an injury, so don't believe all the stats you read. No doubt the US gvt do the same