Drug Prohibition

General_J0k3r · 03-09-2007, 06:42 AM

Hey guys,

I'm wondering what you think about drugs prohibition. My opinion is that it does not work at all, devising great profits to real criminals, not reducing consumption and puts strain on the law enforcements organs' capacities. In my opinion drugs like Marijuana or Shrooms should be legal and free to buy for ppl over 21, but supplying minors with stuff should be SEVERELY punished.

what do you guys think?

P.S.: to make it clear: I smoke de ganja. I don't have a problem buying it and have no problems with the police in berlin coz they know that they wont have problems with me. they rather take care about these drunk and coked fuckers who run round, falling over and fighting with everybody they see.

Topf · 03-09-2007, 07:04 AM

We had this Topic a while ago, turned out to be a VERY long discussion

I personally agree with you, but I fear politicians are way to conservative for such.

Croix · 03-09-2007, 07:06 AM

Drug prohibition is welfare for pharmaceutical companies.

Politicians are way too ideological and corrupt to stop the 'war on drugs'.

TheOldDog · 03-09-2007, 08:05 AM

All societies will have drugs as part of the social landscape, to a certain extent, be they legal or illegal. The experiment of prohibition in the US proved that being too high and mighty about it will degrade social quality, not improve it. However society still has to deal with the effects of legal drugs, for example alcoholism (which left my mother brain damaged), emphysema from smoking (which finally killed my mother) and even religious extremism if you take the view that religion is an opiate of the people.

Its not so cut and dried though. Certain drugs can do tremendous harm in certain societies but not in others, for example alcohol among indigenous native peoples was tremendously destructive, even when they had access to potentially more powerful drugs (like peyote) within their own culture. Certain drugs do not mix well in certain societies, whereas others can be tolerated, moderated and controlled.

In summary I would think that cannabis could be reasonably and responsibly decriminalised in the US, since comparative experiences in Canada did not cause social decay and upheaval. Yes, it would cause problems, but it could well solve more problems than it causes.

General_J0k3r · 03-09-2007, 08:36 AM

note that peyote is a hallucinogen that does not induce physical addiction. though, psychicological addiction is possible but not very likely since you just can't use it every day. alcohol and tobacco are other stuff. in fact, tobacco is the most addiction inducing drug in the world.

and btw, cocaine and heroine were invented by german pharmaceutical companies merck and bayer. both were part of legally sold drugs.

JohnnyPissoff · 03-09-2007, 06:40 PM

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superdj · 03-09-2007, 06:44 PM

The only way to eliminate weed is to obliterate ALL vegetation.
No plants = no weed

[R-MOD]Bob_Marley · 03-09-2007, 06:47 PM

Get the Agent Orange boys!

Determined · 03-09-2007, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOldDog

All societies will have drugs as part of the social landscape, to a certain extent, be they legal or illegal. The experiment of prohibition in the US proved that being too high and mighty about it will degrade social quality, not improve it. However society still has to deal with the effects of legal drugs, for example alcoholism (which left my mother brain damaged), emphysema from smoking (which finally killed my mother) and even religious extremism if you take the view that religion is an opiate of the people.

Its not so cut and dried though. Certain drugs can do tremendous harm in certain societies but not in others, for example alcohol among indigenous native peoples was tremendously destructive, even when they had access to potentially more powerful drugs (like peyote) within their own culture. Certain drugs do not mix well in certain societies, whereas others can be tolerated, moderated and controlled.

In summary I would think that cannabis could be reasonably and responsibly decriminalised in the US, since comparative experiences in Canada did not cause social decay and upheaval. Yes, it would cause problems, but it could well solve more problems than it causes.

So your saying it is a matter of culture? Certain cultures and how they are socially set up effects how they are affected by drugs? I am using drugs as a general term. Certainly alchohol, tobacco, and so on can be described as a drug. I would have to agree with you. I don't think there is a single blanket answer that would sit well with the entire world. For instance you are not legally allowed to drink alchohol until your 21 in the US. There are plenty of other countries that have a much lower drinking age (if any at all) that get along just fine.

El_Vikingo · 03-09-2007, 08:16 PM

(mexican accent)
Ay caramba, mi mariwana!!!! Oh mierdaaaa! Agente Orango!!

(I know it's not spelt like this BTW)

03-09-2007, 06:42 AM	#1
General_J0k3r Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berlin Fhain Posts: 1,202	Drug Prohibition Hey guys, I'm wondering what you think about drugs prohibition. My opinion is that it does not work at all, devising great profits to real criminals, not reducing consumption and puts strain on the law enforcements organs' capacities. In my opinion drugs like Marijuana or Shrooms should be legal and free to buy for ppl over 21, but supplying minors with stuff should be SEVERELY punished. what do you guys think? P.S.: to make it clear: I smoke de ganja. I don't have a problem buying it and have no problems with the police in berlin coz they know that they wont have problems with me. they rather take care about these drunk and coked fuckers who run round, falling over and fighting with everybody they see.

03-09-2007, 07:04 AM	#2
Topf Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 327	We had this Topic a while ago, turned out to be a VERY long discussion I personally agree with you, but I fear politicians are way to conservative for such.
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03-09-2007, 07:06 AM	#3
Croix Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 94	Drug prohibition is welfare for pharmaceutical companies. Politicians are way too ideological and corrupt to stop the 'war on drugs'.
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03-09-2007, 08:05 AM	#4
TheOldDog Join Date: Dec 2006 Australia Posts: 562	All societies will have drugs as part of the social landscape, to a certain extent, be they legal or illegal. The experiment of prohibition in the US proved that being too high and mighty about it will degrade social quality, not improve it. However society still has to deal with the effects of legal drugs, for example alcoholism (which left my mother brain damaged), emphysema from smoking (which finally killed my mother) and even religious extremism if you take the view that religion is an opiate of the people. Its not so cut and dried though. Certain drugs can do tremendous harm in certain societies but not in others, for example alcohol among indigenous native peoples was tremendously destructive, even when they had access to potentially more powerful drugs (like peyote) within their own culture. Certain drugs do not mix well in certain societies, whereas others can be tolerated, moderated and controlled. In summary I would think that cannabis could be reasonably and responsibly decriminalised in the US, since comparative experiences in Canada did not cause social decay and upheaval. Yes, it would cause problems, but it could well solve more problems than it causes.
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03-09-2007, 08:36 AM	#5
General_J0k3r Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berlin Fhain Posts: 1,202	note that peyote is a hallucinogen that does not induce physical addiction. though, psychicological addiction is possible but not very likely since you just can't use it every day. alcohol and tobacco are other stuff. in fact, tobacco is the most addiction inducing drug in the world. and btw, cocaine and heroine were invented by german pharmaceutical companies merck and bayer. both were part of legally sold drugs.

03-09-2007, 06:40 PM	#6
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