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Old 02-23-2007, 06:16 AM   #1
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the super-bridge land facilities on German ground also, if the German government has to say go for the construction of the S bridge between Germany and Denmark.

Normally each country shares the cost of the bridge itself and pays the costs of its own land facilities towards the bridge.

The recent German reply to Denmarks offer building a super bridge between the two contries was neither a no or a yes.


This could indicate that the German government wants to put pressure on the Danish government, thereby trying to get the best deal as possible for German taxpayers before the deadline to request the EU commission to support the S bridge project in a financial way, June this year.


Think that the Hamburger Abendblatt has written about the case. So the following is in German:


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Fehmarnbelt-Querung Dänen über Gipfel enttäuscht
"Deutsches Nein zum Brücken-Vorschlag"
Die Skandinavier beklagen, dass Kopenhagen das Hauptrisko tragen soll.
Von Ulf B. Christen

Kiel/Kopenhagen -
Das neue Finanzierungsmodell für eine Super-Brücke über den Fehmarnbelt wird in Dänemark wie erwartet so nicht akzeptiert. Politik, Verbände und Wirtschaft beklagten, dass das Königreich das Hauptrisiko bei dem Vier-Milliarden-Projekt übernehmen soll. Vereinzelt wurde gefordert, die Pläne für die Querung zu beerdigen.

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Verkehrsminister Flemming Hansen (Die Konservativen), der sich beim Belt-Gipfel in Berlin be-deckt gehalten hatte, geriet in Kopenhagen in Erklärungsnot. Der Befürworter des Projekts beteuerte, dass er beim Treffen mit Bundesverkehrsminister Wolfgang Tiefensee (SPD) keine Zusagen gemacht habe. In die Defensive geriet auch Regierungschef Anders Fogh Rasmussen (Venstre). Er hatte sich ein klares Bekenntnis Deutschlands zum Bau der Querung versprochen.

Stattdessen erfuhren die Dänen, dass das Jahrhundertprojekt in Deutschland keine Priorität hat und sie selbst den Löwenanteil zahlen sollen. Die dänischen Sozialdemokraten forderten neue Verhandlungen. Die Linksliberalen stellten das gesamte Projekt infrage, ebenso die rechtspopulistische Volkspartei (VP). "Warum soll ein kleines Land wie unseres mit 5,5 Millionen Einwohnern eine größere Verpflichtung übernehmen als Deutschland mit 80 Millionen?", fragte Walter Christophersen. Die VP hat in Dänemark eine Schlüsselrolle. Sie stützt Rasmussen und seine bürgerlich-liberale Minderheitsregierung. In der dänischen Wirtschaft wird befürchtet, dass die Belt-Querung nach fast 20 Jahren Planung endgültig scheitert. "Deutsches Nein zum Brücken-Vorschlag", titelte die "Berlingske Tidende", eine der größten Zeitungen im Königreich. Im Artikel wird das Projekt als Traum bezeichnet. Die Enttäuschung über Deutschland dürfte noch wachsen, wenn die Details des Finanzmodells in Dänemark bekannt werden. Dem Vernehmen nach will der Bund sein Risiko auf 20 Prozent begrenzen und am liebsten die Dänen auch noch für den Ausbau der Hinterlandtrassen in Schleswig-Holstein in die Pflicht nehmen.

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Old 02-23-2007, 07:33 AM   #2
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You already HAVE a landroute to Germany. Use that instead of building an uberexpensive bridge.

Unless you plan to make it look as good as the Store Baelt bridge. That is one magnificent bridge. At least when it comes to bridges in Scandinavia.


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Old 02-23-2007, 08:20 AM   #3
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this shouldn´t sound insulting or so, but i actually really dont care about that bridge ^^
seeing as how much money this would cost, i would rather spend it elsewhere, also i dont see why denmark should pay so much more than us


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Old 02-23-2007, 08:54 AM   #4
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You already HAVE a landroute to Germany. Use that instead of building an uberexpensive bridge.

Unless you plan to make it look as good as the Store Baelt bridge. That is one magnificent bridge. At least when it comes to bridges in Scandinavia.
You like the Store Baelt bridge more than the Öresund bridge?
Öresund is bigger and better!
Anyways, I think Germany should pay the most - seeing as most customers will come from their end..


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Old 02-23-2007, 09:38 AM   #5
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You like the Store Baelt bridge more than the Öresund bridge?
Öresund is bigger and better!
Anyways, I think Germany should pay the most - seeing as most customers will come from their end..
Sorry but that bridge is the sorriest piece of crap our 2 governments ever did together.
It's bone dog ugly, it's a mess to get through the toll stations as there is very little in the way of informational signs until you are AT the toll booths...

I don't care if the Öresund bridge is bigger, more expensive and more of a technichal challenge than the Store Baelt bridge. It is still a dreary gray colossus of concrete that reminds me of the dull gray rental complexes built in the 60:s... At least here in Sweden they were like that.

But, no, I don't take offense if you like the Öresund Bridge more. I just disaggree with you.


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Old 02-23-2007, 09:43 AM   #6
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To BlakeJr and [R-PUB]dunkellic.

The bridge is among other things an important step to lower the transportation costs of minerals from Scandinavia to German industry.

This is of course also why the EU commission has proposed to support the super bridge project with more than 1 billion Euros. (Which comes from all European taxpayers)

So over time this bridge will actually bring down some of the German industry’s production costs, which most lightly will increase the competition permanence of the German industry. And thereby either creating more jobs for German industry or securing the ones left from not being outsourced to Asia.

To this very day Germany is still one of the huge engines in European economy. And if German economy gets better so does the rest of Europe’s.

Besides from that a bridge will insure that high-tech multinational corporations will look more closely to North Europe when thinking of building a plant somewhere on the planet.

And all this will benefit both Denmark and Germany. Including at least some parts of former East Germany.
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But the bridge is actually only phase 1.

The second phase is to build the super harbor between Germany and Denmark. A Harbor that will insure easier sea transportation of products from East Europe and Russia to the two American continents and the world as a whole.

This harbor will maybe be the biggest on the planet, so it will not be cheap to build.

http://www.tooperfect.dk/pdf/01.pdf

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Good informative post Michael.
So if I understand it correctly, Germany wants the bridge. They just don't want to share the cost of building it and then they want to reap the harvest?
I know that came out harsh... Sorry.

Also a new bridge will mean another tricky route for for Otto Danielsen Shipping.
As a sidenote I want to mention that I was in Korsör the night Karen Danielsen crashed into the Store Baelt bridge.
That was fun....


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Old 02-23-2007, 05:03 PM   #8
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Well actually we don't know for sure yet if they do want it?

Their reply at the meeting in Berlin this week was basically that they don't prioritises the bridge that much right now.


Here is my little homemade theory:

I think there is domestic German policy involved. Cause the economy in the area of former East Germany isn’t that good. The German Canceller, Angela Merkel gets many voters from that very region and since the bulk of German industry still exists to the west, the initial benefit from a bridge will therefore go to the western part of Germany and not to the east.

So it all comes down to populism. And that’s democracy in its very essence isn’t it.

I rest my case.

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Sorry but that bridge is the sorriest piece of crap our 2 governments ever did together.
It's bone dog ugly, it's a mess to get through the toll stations as there is very little in the way of informational signs until you are AT the toll booths...

I don't care if the Öresund bridge is bigger, more expensive and more of a technichal challenge than the Store Baelt bridge. It is still a dreary gray colossus of concrete that reminds me of the dull gray rental complexes built in the 60:s... At least here in Sweden they were like that.

But, no, I don't take offense if you like the Öresund Bridge more. I just disaggree with you.
I dont get it - theyre the exact same style? :/


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Old 02-24-2007, 08:43 AM   #10
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To be honest, I agree with the german position, but more out of egoistic reasons.
I can`t see any good point in building this bridge, and it`s fucking expensive.
The government saves money all the time (and also on more important issues like education) but there is enough money for a giant bridge?

If this bridge is to be build, germany should not finance it. As this will (thank god) not happen just don`t build it.

Except the presentation of german and denish engineership, this project is a waste of money.


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