Su-25 Frogfoot Vs. A-10 Warthog

[Flanker15]

The Su-25 can out run (by quite alot) and maneuver the A-10 in RL and it's cannon is only slightly less impressive (it has a slightly lower ROF). The A-10 can user more advanced weapons such as optical guided missiles though (the SU-25 has a laser guidence system but lacks optical). However the A-10 and SU-25 fill different roles in real life, the SU-25 is excellent at engaging ground targets with rocket salvos and bombs while the A-10 is better at precision hits against armored units. The SU-25T (39) is less maneuverable (but still much faster than the A-10) but has much more advanced avionics and weapons such as optical guided bombs and missiles.
It is designed as a precision anti-tank plane much like the A-10. Since speed is crucial to CAS survivability both SU-25 models are better than the A-10 with their turbo-jet engines.

[TexLax]

Originally Posted by Flanker15

The Su-25 can out run (by quite alot) and maneuver the A-10 in RL and it's cannon is only slightly less impressive (it has a slightly lower ROF). The A-10 can user more advanced weapons such as optical guided missiles though (the SU-25 has a laser guidence system but lacks optical). However the A-10 and SU-25 fill different roles in real life, the SU-25 is excellent at engaging ground targets with rocket salvos and bombs while the A-10 is better at precision hits against armored units. The SU-25T (39) is less maneuverable (but still much faster than the A-10) but has much more advanced avionics and weapons such as optical guided bombs and missiles.
It is designed as a precision anti-tank plane much like the A-10. Since speed is crucial to CAS survivability both SU-25 models are better than the A-10 with their turbo-jet engines.

lets try and see the su-25 fly without wings...

[Hardtman]

Originally Posted by Flanker15

The Su-25 can out run (by quite alot) and maneuver the A-10 in RL and it's cannon is only slightly less impressive (it has a slightly lower ROF).

Well, I think it is not the higher ROF that make the GAU-8 more impressive than the Frogfots gun, it's the 7 mm more calibre-wise. Besides, the GAU-8 has a muzzle length of around 3 metres (?),resulting in a muzzle velocity between 900 and 1500 m/s, depending on which kind of ammunitionis used. So I'd say that the GAU-8 is a league for itself.

[chudley]

I am not a plane expert but do know that trhe Frogfoot cannot out maneuvre an A10, they have cross section wings and can turn very quickly to get back onto tankbusting. The Frogfoot may be a lot faster in the air.

As for the SU39? eh it is indeed SU29 it isnt really designed for killing tanks but is a multi role aircraft and a few years ago it was the most up to date aircraft to be produced in russia. It was the one that practically hovered before crashing at Farnborough

What you have to remember is that the frogfoot and A10 are not fighter aircraft but ground attack aircraft so have very little defence against other aircraft.

As I said at the start no expert so feel free to correct the bits that are wrong

Last bit , hasn't the A10 got a titanium cockpit as well?

[Ironcomatose]

Originally Posted by chudley

I am not a plane expert but do know that trhe Frogfoot cannot out maneuvre an A10, they have cross section wings and can turn very quickly to get back onto tankbusting. The Frogfoot may be a lot faster in the air.

As for the SU39? eh it is indeed SU29 it isnt really designed for killing tanks but is a multi role aircraft and a few years ago it was the most up to date aircraft to be produced in russia. It was the one that practically hovered before crashing at Farnborough

What you have to remember is that the frogfoot and A10 are not fighter aircraft but ground attack aircraft so have very little defence against other aircraft.

As I said at the start no expert so feel free to correct the bits that are wrong

Last bit , hasn't the A10 got a titanium cockpit as well?

Yea the entire cockpit is made of titanium to protect the pilot. Also the engines were deliberately placed behind and above the wings to make them more safe from ground fire. The same reason is why the A-10 has two engines that operate independently from each other.

[Tweaky]

It is NOT an SU39 or SU29.

If you want a comparison, look at these pictures. It is an SU25, clearly.

SU25
SU29
SU39 (though it has similarities, it is an entirely different plane (newer), and different design)


The supersonic jet you are thinking of is the SU24 Fencer (similar to the Mig 31 Foxhound). The Su25 (that is in PR) is NOT a supersonic jet.

I don't know where some of you are getting ideas that the Frogfoot 'isnt' an SU-25.... lol.

Chudley, I think you are mistaken with the MIG29, which is not the plane in discussion here. This thread is about 2 bombers (the A-10, and SU-25). The MIG29 is in PR, but it is used as a fighter role... in PR.

[nidpants]

In PR, the A-10 is far superior. Those 30mm bullets can tear up tanks much easier than the rockets. The Frogfoot's biggest advantage IMO is that its guided missiles are VERY easy to accurately fire without guidance IRL? The SU-25 project isn't nearly as advanced as the A-10, nor is it produced nearly in the same quantity, so I doubt the Russians are going to be rushing (get it?! lolol) to export their most advanced CAS gunship to the Middle East for a while.

[Everlastin]

Hey guys how r ya! :P anyways about the A-10's Gun, Well heres a video on the A-10. A Gun test.
Thought maybe some of u guys might wanna see This thing purrrr lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRMOubordzI

[TexLax]

Originally Posted by nidpants

In PR, the A-10 is far superior. Those 30mm bullets can tear up tanks much easier than the rockets. The Frogfoot's biggest advantage IMO is that its guided missiles are VERY easy to accurately fire without guidance IRL? The SU-25 project isn't nearly as advanced as the A-10, nor is it produced nearly in the same quantity, so I doubt the Russians are going to be rushing (get it?! lolol) to export their most advanced CAS gunship to the Middle East for a while.

A-10's aren't manufatured anymore, haven't been for a long time.

[[R-DEV]Eddie Baker]

Originally Posted by Hardtman

Well, I think it is not the higher ROF that make the GAU-8 more impressive than the Frogfots gun, it's the 7 mm more calibre-wise. Besides, the GAU-8 has a muzzle length of around 3 metres (?),resulting in a muzzle velocity between 900 and 1500 m/s, depending on which kind of ammunitionis used. So I'd say that the GAU-8 is a league for itself.

The Frogfoot has a 30mm cannon, too, Hardtman; two of them, since the GSH-30-2 is a twin barreled weapon. They fire the same ammunition as the 2A42 cannon on the BMP-2/BTR-90 and 2A38M cannons on the 2S6M Tunguska, 30 x 165mm. For comparative purposes, the GAU-8 Avenger's cartridges are 30 x 173mm; the Bushmaster II on the Marines' EFV uses this ammunition as well.

The advantage to the GAU-8 Avenger is the high rate of fire, and the fact that the magazine for the weapon holds a thousand more rounds than the magazine on the Su-25 family if aircraft.