Let us discuss - the suck that is M16 - Page 2

Revelation_Space · 07-31-2007, 02:37 PM

I hear you man, I hate the M16 too, especially the major lack of zoom - though it's a lot better than the Insurgent and Militia weapons.

I'm getting to the stage now, where I don't even fire at an enemy holding a G3 at medium-long range if he's seen me, because he WILL win the fire-fight, no question. I just try and hide until he gets close.

Also, I leave the M16 on burst all the time. It's a lot easier to switch to semi to fire at a ranged target, than it is to quickly switch to burst when you're surprised by 2 guys walking around a corner.

vanity · 07-31-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SiN|ScarFace

Your vision should blur and aim thrown off somehow, Like if you get hit it would reset your weapon back to the hip position (out of iron sight) and you would have to bring your weapon to bear again, while still in blurred vision.

If this could be done, 5.56 vs 7.62 would be a non issue really.

I really like this idea. That major problem is not that my rifle doesn't kill on the first shot, it's that while I'm hammering someone with multiple rounds they're returning effective fire and killing me.

I'm shooting a guy in the chest 2-3 times and he's able to aim and kill me? No way. That's sounds to be the real problem, not the M16.

billdan · 07-31-2007, 02:42 PM

i prefer the g3/type95/l85a2, but i still like the m16 quite a lot. the m16 has the highest rate of fire (though it's burst) and lowest recoil.
maybe the g3 recoil does need a boost

ACOG crosshairs will surely be an improvement over the thick arse m16 front sight post

Warne · 07-31-2007, 02:46 PM

M16 would be far better with a scope to take advantage of it's accuracy. M16 has no power and no usefulness in burst, which means it's more effecient in single-fire, which just goes back to the fact that it has no power. I'll be glad for .7 when the M16 can be used more to it's advantages. I'm not sure what the purpose was of leaving the scope off the USMC weapon when every other organized military, even the cheap Chinese, got one. As is, USMC is at a major disadvantage, given even the usually invincible M1 Abrams is a pinata to less advanced tanks on the battlefield.

That's prolly the one gripe I have about .6. Unfair scope dispersal.

ReaperMAC · 07-31-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vanity

I really like this idea. That major problem is not that my rifle doesn't kill on the first shot, it's that while I'm hammering someone with multiple rounds they're returning effective fire and killing me.

I'm shooting a guy in the chest 2-3 times and he's able to aim and kill me? No way. That's sounds to be the real problem, not the M16.

Exactly, it is always disheartening when you think you got the jump on some one but they turn around, prone and kill you in one-headshot

Woolfson · 07-31-2007, 02:49 PM

1st big difference with M16 in PR I felt in ver.5 - become "more" lethal, from 0.5 till now (0.6) not such difference, maybe because G3 with scope is quite serious weapon nowadays...?

VipersGhost · 07-31-2007, 02:55 PM

Lets not get into the scope thing guys. They couldn't get it in on time with .6 and thats why its not there. The G3 needs more recoil for sure...I've put a red dot on my screen(marker) when fighting with the M16 and it helps...but its not insanely better. The G3 is still very dominant due to the size, speed and accuracy of firing it. I think Scarface hit one of the prevailing issues here as well with bullet-hit having no effect on an opponents accuracy. So in essence, it's just a trading of bullets or a race for the headshot in firefights. This isn't realisitc and GREATLY favors the person with the larger round. In my mind the G3 is just an M16 with fewer rounds, full auto, same accuracy, slightly more recoil, and WAY more killing power. Where is the disadvantage in that? Where is the speed vs power here? Its like giving Ali all his abilities PLUS Fraziers power.

1-G3 recoil
2-No effect from being shot

TheAmazingYant · 07-31-2007, 02:55 PM

Although a scope isn't modeled, the M16 does have an effective "Zoom" on the kits that would normally be equipped with a scope, such as the rifleman kit. You get the benefits of a scope without the limited sight.

Guerra · 07-31-2007, 02:59 PM

5.56mm sucks. Long live the 7.62mm round.

I miss the old FN FALs...

So, when is PR going to get the Canadian Armed Forces, eh? Some nice C7A1 action.

[R-DEV]GeZe · 07-31-2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by VipersGhost

I've put a red dot on my screen(marker) when fighting with the M16 and it helps...but its not insanely better.

Umm what?

07-31-2007, 02:42 PM	#13
billdan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 224	i prefer the g3/type95/l85a2, but i still like the m16 quite a lot. the m16 has the highest rate of fire (though it's burst) and lowest recoil. maybe the g3 recoil does need a boost ACOG crosshairs will surely be an improvement over the thick arse m16 front sight post
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07-31-2007, 02:46 PM	#14
Warne Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 33	M16 would be far better with a scope to take advantage of it's accuracy. M16 has no power and no usefulness in burst, which means it's more effecient in single-fire, which just goes back to the fact that it has no power. I'll be glad for .7 when the M16 can be used more to it's advantages. I'm not sure what the purpose was of leaving the scope off the USMC weapon when every other organized military, even the cheap Chinese, got one. As is, USMC is at a major disadvantage, given even the usually invincible M1 Abrams is a pinata to less advanced tanks on the battlefield. That's prolly the one gripe I have about .6. Unfair scope dispersal.
Warne Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 33

07-31-2007, 02:59 PM	#19
Guerra Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 360	5.56mm sucks. Long live the 7.62mm round. I miss the old FN FALs... So, when is PR going to get the Canadian Armed Forces, eh? Some nice C7A1 action.
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07-31-2007, 02:37 PM	#11
Revelation_Space Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, UK Posts: 47	I hear you man, I hate the M16 too, especially the major lack of zoom - though it's a lot better than the Insurgent and Militia weapons. I'm getting to the stage now, where I don't even fire at an enemy holding a G3 at medium-long range if he's seen me, because he WILL win the fire-fight, no question. I just try and hide until he gets close. Also, I leave the M16 on burst all the time. It's a lot easier to switch to semi to fire at a ranged target, than it is to quickly switch to burst when you're surprised by 2 guys walking around a corner.

07-31-2007, 02:49 PM	#16
Woolfson Join Date: Feb 2007 Nauru Location: Just in front of my monitor Posts: 74	1st big difference with M16 in PR I felt in ver.5 - become "more" lethal, from 0.5 till now (0.6) not such difference, maybe because G3 with scope is quite serious weapon nowadays...?

07-31-2007, 02:55 PM	#17
VipersGhost Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,125	Lets not get into the scope thing guys. They couldn't get it in on time with .6 and thats why its not there. The G3 needs more recoil for sure...I've put a red dot on my screen(marker) when fighting with the M16 and it helps...but its not insanely better. The G3 is still very dominant due to the size, speed and accuracy of firing it. I think Scarface hit one of the prevailing issues here as well with bullet-hit having no effect on an opponents accuracy. So in essence, it's just a trading of bullets or a race for the headshot in firefights. This isn't realisitc and GREATLY favors the person with the larger round. In my mind the G3 is just an M16 with fewer rounds, full auto, same accuracy, slightly more recoil, and WAY more killing power. Where is the disadvantage in that? Where is the speed vs power here? Its like giving Ali all his abilities PLUS Fraziers power. 1-G3 recoil 2-No effect from being shot

07-31-2007, 02:55 PM	#18
TheAmazingYant Join Date: Jul 2007 United States of America Location: Lakeland, Fl Posts: 62	Although a scope isn't modeled, the M16 does have an effective "Zoom" on the kits that would normally be equipped with a scope, such as the rifleman kit. You get the benefits of a scope without the limited sight.

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