The rifleman kit...

Corrient · 06-25-2007, 03:39 PM

Is it just me, or now that every rifleman kit has a scope (or in the case of the Marines, a high zoom) does it seem like firefights are less intense?

I mean, you can SNIPE with these things. It's like having a semi/fully automatic sniper rifle which almost completely negates the usefulness of kits like the support kit on anything but urban maps. The second the support kit opens up, people see tracers, and headshot the poor sod before he knows what's going on.

$kelet0r · 06-25-2007, 03:44 PM

it's a limitation of the engine
the problem is that the weapons can and are that accurate but the timing and patience needed to achieve that cannot be represented in game without making the weapons horribly inaccurate because weapon sway and breathing cannot be implemented at all.

[R-COM]Outlawz · 06-25-2007, 03:47 PM

Theres still enough recoil to go with.

[R-DEV]Cheeseman · 06-25-2007, 03:48 PM

That’s the point. PR is trying to back away from Rambo style game play. People will think twice before running in the open and risk of getting shot by someone 100 meters away. People are encouraged to find appropriate cover and work together to scan the area for enemy threats before engaging towards their objectives.

wazza_ni · 06-25-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Corrient

I mean, you can SNIPE with these things. It's like having a semi/fully automatic sniper rifle which almost completely negates the usefulness of kits like the support kit on anything but urban maps. The second the support kit opens up, people see tracers, and headshot the poor sod before he knows what's going on.

I think thats going a bit over the top...

What the devs are going for is more long range combat which is why theyve increased the view distance. Not that ive been in too many combat situations (actually none - im basing my point on alot of war footage ive seen) but alot of it is taking well placed shots at enemy that are several hundred metres away. And from the few games I got to play on the last Beta (namely Kashan Desert) i was well chuffed with the results.

Yea, if your lying in an exposed position and you start spraying an enemy position with the SAW your gonne be vulnerable to fire. But like cheeseman said, its about finding the right cover first before you open up on your opponent.

Corrient · 06-25-2007, 04:33 PM

Even behind cover (logs, wedged between rocks, etc) somebody can still zoom in, duck behind a hill/cover a sec, pop up to see where you are, duck, adjust where they are aiming accordingly, and then let go of duck and pop you right in the noggin.

When I mean firefight, I don't mean spray and pray idiocy either, but the way the current rifleman kit works (automatic marksman kit...) minimizes such things as cover fire and well... machine guns in general since their accuracy is so piss poor over any sort of range.

I much preferred the .5 version of the rifleman kit. Still very useful, but without being scoped, it didn't have the amazing advantage over other kits in combat situations that it does now.

Xmaster · 06-25-2007, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrient

Is it just me, or now that every rifleman kit has a scope (or in the case of the Marines, a high zoom) does it seem like firefights are less intense?

I mean, you can SNIPE with these things. It's like having a semi/fully automatic sniper rifle which almost completely negates the usefulness of kits like the support kit on anything but urban maps. The second the support kit opens up, people see tracers, and headshot the poor sod before he knows what's going on.

It makes you think twice before giving away your position.

VipersGhost · 06-25-2007, 04:43 PM

I thought these same things until I got some good time in on Seven Gates with a decent squad. The support gun owned and functioned very well. The engagement distances and number of scoped weapons is fairly accurate. We got into plenty of firefights and the use of smoke is now a REQUIREMENT instead of a suggestion. I loved the game machanics of the rifleman kit and thought things were well balanced. Yeah you can't stand or sit out in the open any more which is nice. Everyone has to have some cover or move well...position matters now not who can run and gun the best. Firefights are real now...when you here a bullet hit near you...get your head down or the next will put you down and by all means you better stick with your squad...there is no more of this darting all over the place until you find some guys and then dodge out with the fast-unrealistic movements. Now you have to man up and cover your buddies and make it work.

{GD}Ghost · 06-25-2007, 04:49 PM

Are you telling me that none of the basic rifleman kits are iron sites only?!

I am a hardcore believer in iron sites and have learned to use them well even at longer distances. Yes, it takes a bit more skill than relying on a scope. If this is true, is this not a step away from realism? From what I know, a normal rifleman squad is not issued scopes unless one or two of them are designated marksmen.

Ecko · 06-25-2007, 05:07 PM

I find the longer range better tbh.

I've had some 5 min fire fights without either parties dieing.

06-25-2007, 03:39 PM	#1
Corrient Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 13	The rifleman kit... Is it just me, or now that every rifleman kit has a scope (or in the case of the Marines, a high zoom) does it seem like firefights are less intense? I mean, you can SNIPE with these things. It's like having a semi/fully automatic sniper rifle which almost completely negates the usefulness of kits like the support kit on anything but urban maps. The second the support kit opens up, people see tracers, and headshot the poor sod before he knows what's going on.
Corrient Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 13

06-25-2007, 03:47 PM	#3
[R-COM]Outlawz PR Community Event Team Join Date: Feb 2007 Afghanistan Location: Tora Bora Posts: 7,523	Theres still enough recoil to go with.
	[R-DEV]Gaz: Shout "WE R L33TZ" at the MD, sucker punch him, then teabag him while shouting "WHO OWNS YA? WHO OWNS YA? SAY OUR NAME! IGI! IGI! IGI! OFP2 Beta plz?"

06-25-2007, 04:33 PM	#6
Corrient Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 13	Even behind cover (logs, wedged between rocks, etc) somebody can still zoom in, duck behind a hill/cover a sec, pop up to see where you are, duck, adjust where they are aiming accordingly, and then let go of duck and pop you right in the noggin. When I mean firefight, I don't mean spray and pray idiocy either, but the way the current rifleman kit works (automatic marksman kit...) minimizes such things as cover fire and well... machine guns in general since their accuracy is so piss poor over any sort of range. I much preferred the .5 version of the rifleman kit. Still very useful, but without being scoped, it didn't have the amazing advantage over other kits in combat situations that it does now.
Corrient Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 13

06-25-2007, 05:07 PM	#10
Ecko Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 765	I find the longer range better tbh. I've had some 5 min fire fights without either parties dieing.
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06-25-2007, 03:44 PM	#2
$kelet0r Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 1,321	it's a limitation of the engine the problem is that the weapons can and are that accurate but the timing and patience needed to achieve that cannot be represented in game without making the weapons horribly inaccurate because weapon sway and breathing cannot be implemented at all.

06-25-2007, 03:48 PM	#4
[R-DEV]Cheeseman PR Art Team Join Date: Nov 2006 Canada Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,210	That’s the point. PR is trying to back away from Rambo style game play. People will think twice before running in the open and risk of getting shot by someone 100 meters away. People are encouraged to find appropriate cover and work together to scan the area for enemy threats before engaging towards their objectives.

06-25-2007, 04:43 PM	#8
VipersGhost Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,125	I thought these same things until I got some good time in on Seven Gates with a decent squad. The support gun owned and functioned very well. The engagement distances and number of scoped weapons is fairly accurate. We got into plenty of firefights and the use of smoke is now a REQUIREMENT instead of a suggestion. I loved the game machanics of the rifleman kit and thought things were well balanced. Yeah you can't stand or sit out in the open any more which is nice. Everyone has to have some cover or move well...position matters now not who can run and gun the best. Firefights are real now...when you here a bullet hit near you...get your head down or the next will put you down and by all means you better stick with your squad...there is no more of this darting all over the place until you find some guys and then dodge out with the fast-unrealistic movements. Now you have to man up and cover your buddies and make it work.

06-25-2007, 04:49 PM	#9
{GD}Ghost Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Classified Posts: 206	Are you telling me that none of the basic rifleman kits are iron sites only?! I am a hardcore believer in iron sites and have learned to use them well even at longer distances. Yes, it takes a bit more skill than relying on a scope. If this is true, is this not a step away from realism? From what I know, a normal rifleman squad is not issued scopes unless one or two of them are designated marksmen.

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