I think its important to welcome new players and help them

[[R-MOD]Wasteland]

No, racism is a discrimination that is based on race. It is wrong because the thing that people don't like (a person's race) is largely irrelevent to their ability to be likeable. Same thing with all forms of discrimination. It is wrong to deny work to a 22 year old man in a resturant on the grounds that he is young and you don't like young people. It is not wrong to deny work to a 22 year old man if the job requires that the employee travel to schools recounting his experiences in WW2.

New players who come to the mod and expect people to explain multiple features of the mod over the text chat in the middle of the game are annoying because it demonstrates a lack of respect for other people's time. Especially since other options, such as the manual and VOIP are available to them. I still will take the time to explain things if it's just a quick question, but there's a point where it crosses the threshold of annoyance.

More annoying are people that come, play a few minutes, and then shit all over innovative features like the kit request.

Especially annoying are people that spam threads with things completely irrelavent to the discussion at hand, such as marvelling at their post count or advertising for another thread they've started.

Hating someone because he's new is not right. Getting pissed off at the substantial section of the new player population that is extremely smacktarted is just common sense.

[VipersGhost]

I think its pretty easy to ignore the idiots that spam the chat lines just to be an ass...heck go ahead and yell at them, we dont want them anyways. But I wouldn't let their actions dictate how you react to a normal noob. I hardly ever notice the chat lines in the first place and rarely see questions posted. If it annoys anyone just ignore the noob then...no need to take valuable play time and say STFU noob. If someone is spamming the VIOP, tell him to stop...if he doesn't your SL will kick him out, I've never even seen this happen though and I play quite a bit. Where I see noobs is like, guys not knowing how to lead a squad but still trying it out before watching the videos. Even then Squad Leadership isn't abuot knowing how to drop a rally...its way more than that. I think the veteran players owe it to the mod creators to help out the new recruits though and welcome them in, its really not that hard. I personally dont like how many poor squad leaders there are and lack of commander...thats an issue.

[Spliffmonkey]

hear hear

[paco]

First time I played, on Muttrah, I thought rally points 1 & 2 were the capture points we had to take, in that order. I got those backpacks real good.

[VipersGhost]

Originally Posted by paco

First time I played, on Muttrah, I thought rally points 1 & 2 were the capture points we had to take, in that order. I got those backpacks real good.

Lol...ah thats good man, yeah I was the guy trying to spawn on them forever...then getting sent back 10 miles to the homebase going "*#&^$&*(#^#^" I still see people that dont know you can spawn on other peoples Rallys (your team must have a rally as well though).

[ub3rxn00b]

Originally Posted by Master Shake

"I still remember the first time that I asked about requesting kits in game. I was unable to get a kit from the back of the APC; there were enough members in my squad to get a kit, and no message was coming up about there being not enough kits to go around. After asking my squad (none of them answered me, even as I was asking in VOIP), I proceeded to ask in full chat. I was immediately greeted by at LEAST 3 "stfu noob, go read the manual" responses. Even after calmly explaining to them the second time that I had read it and that I could not get a kit from the APC, someone STILL told me that I was a noob and that I should "go back to nilla if you dont know how to play".

My point is, there seems to be a lot of people in this community that are eager to discourage new players, as if someone asking questions was a sin punishable by death. I try to help people out whenever I can, no matter how obvious the question might be. Its great that so many people here do the same, even if there are a lot out there who think they are all that because they know more than a first time player "



I know at least 12 vetran BF/mod players that feel the same way and have backed out of PR because of this attitude, they love the game, but hate the people with this attitude and are tired of reading the BS messages and hearing new people get flamed over voip because there trying to have a good time and learn something new.

Such a great technical mod and fun to play, but the community is going to kill this mod from the inside out if it is not careful.......

You can say "let them go" all you want, but when you have these huge maps that are being worked on and you can't find a full server anywhere and have to play with 12 or 21 people at a time because not allot of people are playing the mod,..we will see how "fun" and "intense" it is?

on a side note I wonder what will happen if some of the up coming changes ruffle the feathers of the "die hard" community? Will the thumb suckers start to cry to the devs?

Please Devs just do your thing, it's beautiful so far and I applaud your work, I know you have maintained you are going to make the mod you want and let the chips fall where they may with the community.

I do ask though can you really call it a game if there are no players?

Nice work on taking a topic to the extreme. I'm sure the entire community is going to abandon a mod because a few people don't like to babysit noobs.

[Master Shake]

Originally Posted by ub3rxn00b

Nice work on taking a topic to the extreme. I'm sure the entire community is going to abandon a mod because a few people don't like to babysit noobs.

Just another example of someone that only wants to see it there way....

[[R-MOD]Wasteland]

I have yet to see a veteran player say "STFU noob", or "RTFM". I've seen some say "there's a manual at realitymod.com". But never what you're describing MasterShake. I think that that kind of sentiment comes from relatively new players themselves. If you think that we here on the forums (and by this I mean regular forums users) exhibit that attitude, I'd like you to give some examples.

[[R-MOD]Dylan]

Don't give any examples... Settle it via PM, as this will erupt a flame war... I also don't appreciate the tone in here, or the fact that some of you think that you should do the moderators job for them. If you cant handle the way we moderate, take it up VIA PM! The next time I have to say this, expect a lock. End of discussion.

[QcGuy]

Well I can't take it anymore I have to say something. First off let me say I am a veteran player of Bf1942,BF Vietnam,BF2,2142 and all the expansion packs and I have extensively played all the mods for all those games including DC Realism which Project Reality has greatly exceeded.

I agree it can be very frustrating for experienced players to have to deal with rookie players constantly asking 20 questions during a round but we were all rookies/noobs at one time. I have answered more then my share of questions over the years in Battlefield and those players were very appreciative of that. If someone asks a question you just answer it to the best of your ability. You don't blow up at them because then they get frustrated and say screw this I am out of here.
That has a trickle down effect next thing you know you go from 50 servers populated with Project Reality to 12 and of those 12 you have 3 that have 20 to 40 people in them. You want to kill Project Reality keep up your attitude of THIS IS OUR MOD GO AWAY but wait your mod has already taken a hit because people have left and moved on to other mods or other games.

For all Battlefield 2's greatness it fails in comparison to BF1942 that community was strong people helped one another because they loved the game.

Now it’s the mentality OUR MOD OUR WAY if not kiss off.

It’s because of that mentality you have lost myself and enough of my friends to fill 3 squads. This attitude DEV’s and PR Elite of not helping people trying to play the mod has ruined it.

Desert Conflict is gaining in popularity everyday why, people are having fun they are not getting frustrated by people bitching at them for asking questions on how to play because they are a NOOB. Admin’s of DCON servers are not being bullied into how to run a server why because DCON dev’s know it takes people to keep a mod going and Admins can help by making things interesting.
Anyone remember the mods Operation Peace Keeper 2,Point of Existence 2, USI where are those servers now there use to be dozens of servers now but a handful why people left because they lost interest.

If the whole point of the DEV's was to make a mod for themselves and the PR Elite they should have kept it private and not released it to the public. Of course then you can't complain about NOOBS playing because only the DEV's and PR Elite are playing it.

My friends and I enjoy Project Reality from a gameplay aspect and from a technical aspect it’s incredible what can be done with the Battlefield engine and DEV’s Project Reality have done a great job and I respect that. The problem is the attitude.

I wish you well in your future releases I just hope you have players around to populate the servers to help keep Battlefield alive because that’s really the only thing that matters.