LAV-25 vs AAV

[Wh33lman]

this question has been eating away at me since i saw the the AAV. why is the AAV replacing the LAV in PR? is the LAV being phased out? the the AAV better? is it simply to get rid of the vanilla model?

please dont lock my thread before i get an answer, its killing me!

[Zrix]

Originally Posted by Wh33lman

this question has been eating away at me since i saw the the AAV. why is the AAV replacing the LAV in PR? is the LAV being phased out? the the AAV better? is it simply to get rid of the vanilla model?

please dont lock my thread before i get an answer, it driving me nuts!

As far as I know, it's not replacing the LAV completely, just where it is more realistic to use the AAV.

[[R-DEV]Rhino]

Its quite a few things tbh.

First of all the LAV-25 isn't a true APC, its more of a recon vehicle. In r/l it can only transport 4 guys in the back iirc (need to check with the MAs if you want the full info) and we only had it being able to transport 6 guys ingame so it acted like an APC, but with the addition of the AAVP7A1 there was no need.

The AAV7 is also a much more realistic vehicle for most of the maps the USMC are in, since most of them are actually amphibious assault maps, a LAV-25 being part of them dosen't make that much sense since they are amphibious, but are not designed to be able to travel in rough seas like the AAV7 is, its more just for crossing small rivers etc.

The LAV-25 isn't being Phased out as such, but I dont think its in any maps in v0.95 but that dosen't mean we wont see it in PR in the future acting as a Recon vehicle, just need the right map and setup for it.

[[R-DEV]Rudd]

ocean assault = AAV

everything else = whatever is appropriate

[communistman]

Originally Posted by Wh33lman

this question has been eating away at me since i saw the the AAV. why is the AAV replacing the LAV in PR? is the LAV being phased out? the the AAV better? is it simply to get rid of the vanilla model?

please dont lock my thread before i get an answer, its killing me!

Let me try to answer this in the order presented:

why is the AAV replacing the LAV in PR?

Speaking from a point of realism (which is relevant considering this mod is called Project Reality), it's much more common to see Marines fighting from AAVs than LAVs. Aside from the point that AAVs are used for ship-launched amphibious landings, they also spend more time around line infantry companies than LAVs. AAVs are not organic to the Marine infantry battalion, rather, AAV formations are attached to infantry outfits for task-specific operations. This means, beyond an amphibious landing, infantry Marines will be riding inland and fighting from AAVs on sustained land operations. LAVs are not attached to line infantry units, they are organic to LARs - Light Armored Reconnaissance battalions, where their role is more akin to recon, surveillance, and maneuvering/transportation of scouts. So in the scenarios we see in PR, AAVs make more sense, realistically.

is the LAV being phased out?

The question has been answered by DEVs but I assume not, as long as we get a map that hosts a scenario where a LAR unit in combat would be plausible.

[Is]the the AAV better?

AAV and LAV are two different vehicles for two different roles. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. For example; LAV is faster and is able to take out BTRs relatively well with the 25 Bushmaster. AAV will likely do better off-road, and has an armament layout more suited to supporting infantry in combat (not to mention it carries a crap ton of troops, about a whole platoon's worth, irl). An interesting question, as I was skeptical on another thread related to this discussion about how PR players will receive the AAV, and the difficulties they'll have adopting it for use, as it is certainly and decisively NOT in the same category as LAVs, and is not made to handle the same roles.

[Acemantura]

Well to Add my two cents: When I think of AAV I think Marines.

Its just that since we have played vBF2, we have forgotten that the LAV has a much different role to play.

My Questions:
1. Will the AAV have the front flap deployed when its in the water?

2. Will we be able to fire from the removable roof? (a "ctrl" toggle or something)

[Hunt3r]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Rhino

The LAV-25 isn't being Phased out as such, but I dont think its in any maps in v0.95 but that dosen't mean we wont see it in PR in the future acting as a Recon vehicle, just need the right map and setup for it.

Wait, what happened to the LAV-25s on Fallujah? And the LAV-3s for Yamalia and Archer?

[[R-DEV]Rhino]

The LAV-3 and Stryker are not effected since they are for different factions and they are also true APCs unlike the LAV-25.

The LAV-25 on Fallujah I'm pretty sure is being replaced by the AAVP7A1, iirc they where much more common in the Fallujah.

[Conman51]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Rhino

The LAV-3 and Stryker are not effected since they are for different factions and they are also true APCs unlike the LAV-25.

The LAV-25 on Fallujah I'm pretty sure is being replaced by the AAVP7A1, iirc they where much more common in the Fallujah.

LAV3 and LAV 25 are like the same things though arent they?

[[R-DEV]Rhino]

No they are very different. The LAV-3 and Stryker are pretty much the same thing (other than one has a 25mm turret and the other dosen't) hence why I mentioned the Stryker.