Playing the game wrong

[killonsight95]

the only problem with rushing is if the enemy are prepared and stop your first wave then the tide has turned agasinst you because often the enemy will have:
more tickets
possibly more assets
more time to organise attacks/defence

[smiley]

Originally Posted by space

Rushing = full on attack.
Camping = full on defence.
Bounding Overwatch = combination of the above.

Whatever people say, there isn't a whole load of tactics to use in PR - they basically boil down to the 3 tactics above. What you seem to be saying is that PR should be confined to a single tactic to be used on every single round, due to you being butthurt at not fighting the enemy on your terms.

And you my friend are quite rude, making assumptions about me and this isn't the first time only serves to make you seem somewhat childish. I suggest you re read what i said and at no point do i say anything about using one tactic or indeed using any kind of tactics.
Your assumption that i have been butthurt (very mature) is based on what exactly?
That you don't agree with me? I never said you or anyone else should.Also you do not know me, have never played with or against me so i ask again. How do you come to these conclusions?

Just what exactly makes you an overiding authority on how to play an online game? in that you decide there's 3 ways to play the game, your arrogance quite frankly is astounding.

To quote me as "wah wah wah" only furthers my opinion that these forums have degenerated somewhat to the way of most gaming forums in that if you're not in a certain clique or have a massive post count you are ignored or ridiculed.

I cant have an opinion? without being derided for it by someone who is supposed to be a mature community leader

Lastly and this is just for you space fyi i'm 45 yrs of age and have no desire to get involved arguing online with someone who has no talent for debate, however real life is different so if you wish to continue playing mr internet tough guy by all means drop me a pm and i'm sure something can be arranged.


This will be my last post on these forums apart from the SA section as some people are too attention hungry to waste my time on.

Have a good day.

[space]

Maybe reread your own post before accusing people of arrogance and immaturity.

Originally Posted by smiley

rushing/camping/baseraping etc is for vanilla.

Personally I find that to be pretty arrogant. I don't decide on how anyone pays the game, and personally my attitude is if it works then its good. Mixing things up and "confusing" the enemy is a great tactic, and surprise is a basic tactic in real life - its not considered cheating or unfair. If you take "rushing" and "camping" out of the game, what tactic is left? Bounding overwatch.

Nothing wrong with using that, and its the safest tactic to use, but to say the other tactics are for vanilla is pretty arrogant imo.

[Arnoldio]

Originally Posted by smiley

Can we please stop referring to rushing as "advanced tactics" because it just isn't. I have played many many online games fps, rts whatever and rushing is prevalent in all of them.
It doesn't take a genius to charge up the map with the most powerful weapon you can find and blow half the team away as they are getting set up, for me this spoils the whole immersion thing.

Also and not naming names, but you know who you are. The guilty culprits usually only do it on certain maps and on certain sides.eg: It's much easier to rush with tanks to nth vill on kashan as mec and camp it than it is to rush sth vill with abrahms and do the same.
I'm sorry but the majority of people who do this are playing for themselves and their selfish little egos. I've also seen many many times the same people who when failing at said rush and lose their asset rage quit straight away, leading me once again to the conclusion that they're inherently selfish.These are also the same people that consider themselves far better players than most when sadly the truth is that they just look for the easiest way to get kills and increase their army of 15 yr old fanboys.

If you think about it, rushing against a team who know what they're doing is the worst thing you can do, and here's why: Everyone is alive at the start of a round, all armour is up and running, all HAT kits are available, so basically everything that can kill your rushing tank/apc/FAV whatever is on the map and ready to take you out.

You have done zero recon, all you have done is charge up the map because you know what direction the majority of the team is coming from. This can be done by simply looking at your map........... So please enlighten me, where is the tactics in that? How much great thought went into knowing a good spot to camp them as they emerge from main? Apart from seeing someone else do it, which is where most of the so called "rushers" and "great tacticians" get their ideas from.



Finally as has been stated before a good side will always beat a rushing side because as far as i'm concerned that's what this mod is all about and rushing/camping/baseraping etc is for vanilla.

On kashan 90% of the team goes to bunkers..WHY? it clearly shows you that there is south village to cap, if the US goes by the "rules" and MEC go by the rules, both teams should meet at the bunkers anyway, but when 50% of mec is at bunkers, 25% at main, 25% at SV capping really slowly, while 90% of US team is capping NV and then progressing to bunkers, those 50% wont have a chance against a full on attack.

Originally Posted by space

Camping = full on defence.

I would not say so, camping is more hiding behind a corner for 20 minutes... Defending is defending...


Anyway whole team rushing is more acceptable than 1 squad rushing...

[smiley]

Originally Posted by space

Maybe reread your own post before accusing people of arrogance and immaturity.



Personally I find that to be pretty arrogant. I don't decide on how anyone pays the game, and personally my attitude is if it works then its good. Mixing things up and "confusing" the enemy is a great tactic, and surprise is a basic tactic in real life - its not considered cheating or unfair. If you take "rushing" and "camping" out of the game, what tactic is left? Bounding overwatch.

Nothing wrong with using that, and its the safest tactic to use, but to say the other tactics are for vanilla is pretty arrogant imo.

Then debate my opinions and not just go " wah wah wah" I see you just cherry picked my last line and quoted that, nice attempt at backtracking and trying to shift blame with a "so are you argument"
My 1st post wasn't directed at anyone personally yours was. You have yet to answer my questions and if you thought i was being arrogant/immature then say so,why resort to attempting childish ridicule?
Seriously if you feel that all that's left if you take out camping/rushing is one option then i have no idea why you play this. The point i was trying to make and which seemed to fly straight over your head was i feel explained in my post, if you didn't understand it then why not ask questions instead of resorting to immature remarks, that is how debate and understanding works not just going "wah wah wah you got butthurt"

As i asked previously and which you have failed to address. How apart from making huge assumptions about me did you reach your conclusions?If you are incapable of explaining your reasoning and arguments in a rational manner then may i suggest the jeremy kyle show is where you should direct your massive intellect. There you may find some appreciation for the terms "butthurt" and "wah wah wah"

I suspect that for some reason you have decided that you don't care for me or my opinions which is fine except that you go about it in a very juvenile way( remember a previous post where you more or less accused me of being a DEV in disguise,where you got that from i have no idea)
So go ahead and disagree with me, people do it to me all the time and i don't mind it.
What i do take exception to however is your attitude when trying to communicate with me by trying to score points with cheap shots and trying to look clever which unfortunately you fail at miserably.

If you ever want a real grown up discussion about anything i'll gladly set you up a vent account where you can tell me my shortcomings face to face so to speak, but judging by the way you conduct yourself here i doubt that you'll take me up on that.

I have nothing more to say to you unless you wish to talk like the grown ups do then i'll be waiting.

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No need to start a flamewar.

are playing for themselves and their selfish little egos

the conclusion that they're inherently selfish

rushing/camping/baseraping etc is for vanilla.

These are also the same people that consider themselves far better players than most when sadly the truth is that they just look for the easiest way to get kills and increase their army of 15 yr old fanboys.

All pretty juvenile comments towards a perfectly legitimate tactic. I put "wahwahwah" to save quoting a wall of text. I put "butthurt" because your comments remind me very much of what I see on the server when a butthurt team has just been raped by a rush.

There's no need to get your knickers in a twist - I don't have a problem with teams rushing - you do. That's fine.

[smiley]

Originally Posted by space

I don't have a problem with teams rushing - you do. That's fine.

Is all you had to say.......wasn't hard was it?

[CallousDisregard]

I might have missed something in all the text here but wasn't the OP talking about situational awareness ?


One or two squads rush to next flag or worse the one after that and leave the current, cappable flag undefended and expect the rest of the team to follow their plan.

One huge problem is they never tell the rest of the team their plan.
The other huge problem is they are rarely timely in discovering that their plan has failed, often miserably, and it is now time to work with the rest of the team on such plebeian goals as capping the marked flag.


I think too many people do not look at the map and see what is actually happening before they make their grand master plans to cap out the map in 10 minutes.

Sure, some maps can be capped out in 15 min, or could be in 0.875d, but most games last at least an a hour and the uberleet types that rushed forward of the planned objectives might get a sweet KDR for a few minutes but they are alone and unsupported and quickly die.

I would just add that when you are capping a flag w/ 2+ squads and the previous flag falls, some of you need to pull back.

I can not count the amount of squads I have been in where the SL looks and says " There are 5 other squads, let them take that flag, we're not moving".

A closer look reveals 3 of those 5 squads are Logi, Helo, and Sniper and the other two squads just got their asses handed to them and are still scattered and/or dead so that none of them is in position to cap the flag behind you.

So you sit there and the SL tells you " We grayed the flag, the enemy can't advance, we are staying here".

Then the flag falls and we are gray on flag that cannot be capped but nobody leaves because ....it's not my job, let somebody else cap that flag, we walked all the way here ...etc etc.

I think it would be better to get familiar with the Cap-Lock map and keep track of bluefor casualties so you can make a real and accurate judgement about where to go and what flag to cap.

I was under the impression that the AAS system was supposed to slow or stop tard rushes on flags and that we all acknowledge there is a difference between reality and what can be replicated on the BF2 engine.


IF that is the case then things like rushing all the armor to South Village on Kashan is a nilla tactic, regardless of its' effectiveness.

I think, all things being equal, most teams lose because they overextend themselves and cannot support their own advance.

[[R-CON]Tim270]

*Sigh*

The problem is not Rushing at all, in pub play people do not want to cap back flags simple as, either you get a CO or SL's with some Logic will go and cap as most people seem to think they are too good to and cap a flag.

AAS is kinda strange, in most situations maps are essentially useless in the scheme of things.

[Hunt3r]

The question is why are people not using APCs and transport trucks to move as fast as they can.

If you use transport effectively, you don't NEED to move ahead. The end result is that you end up capping faster then the enemy team, since the flag that you CAN cap is being capped faster, and you end up moving a whole lot faster to the next flag anyway.

There is a huge disconnect between APCs and transport, and infantry squads, and it bugs me to no end.