Where did the training mode go? - Page 5

Qaiex · 02-06-2010, 03:21 AM

RedFox said training will be back but not in the fail way it was done.
We'll see how it will be done then, but hopefully we'll get helicopter training in different scenarios. It's important to know how to fly, scout for LZ's and land in mountainous terrain, forest terrain, cities, villages, military complexes and the likes.

[R-DEV]ballard_44 · 02-06-2010, 04:11 AM

Let's clear up one thing.

Kashan COOP is not a 'training' map.

If anyone has said otherwise, they were incorrect.

Like any other map that you can play COOP/SP on, it is SP and bot friendly first, with the added ability of playing COOP, 2nd.

The majority of jets and helis on SP/COOP maps are tweaked so that bots can actually fly them.

So they are not the best learning tools.

On Kashan, the jets that are in the hangers are the MP versions.
I think a few of the helis that are around are MP versions, also.

If you want to learn how to operate any of the air vehicles, start up MP and create a 'local' server.
You can fly around untouched to get the hang of it.

death87 · 02-06-2010, 04:14 AM

and yet here were devs and others saying that co-op replacing training would have everything training did, but better..

Durandal · 02-06-2010, 04:32 AM

Yeah, I really wish there were at least a "vehicle training" mode with instant respawns and infinite tickets - even if it only be single player or local only. That really helps my heli and plane flying out. Thus, less crashes and less angries on the public/private servers.

This has probably been suggested, but a full-featured shooting range map (again, for single player or local) would be kind of neat too. Good way to train PR recruits, as I have to do that a lot. Different kits to pick up on tables at their respective ranges - learn how the deviation system works, use deployed/undeployed MGs and marksman rifles, range m203s, try the guided/lobbed AT weapons, etc. That would be a truly epic training tool. Might not be terribly too much work, and I would do it too, If I could ever get around to being arsed to learn how to map.

[R-DEV]ballard_44 · 02-06-2010, 04:35 AM

And I just set the record straight.

Durandal · 02-06-2010, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]ballard_44

And I just set the record straight.

I think what they're getting at, is that they want a mode with instant and infinite vehicle and player respawn - with all of the vehicles in one convenient location.

My first chinook flying experience was on a full server. Thankfully, it was similar enough to other choppers (and I was lucky enough, of course) that I only got shot down once. Really would have been nice to have had put in an hour or two of flying that thing in loops and run it into the ground a few dozen times to see how it reacted.

Qaiex · 02-06-2010, 04:40 AM

IIRC someone is already making a "bootcamp" type map, maybe that's what will be replacing training.
May be just speculation on my part idk.

Snazz · 02-06-2010, 09:50 AM

The impression has definitely been given that COOP replaces Training.

I support a special training designed map with low spawn times and infinite respawns as well but we'll have to wait until someone finishes one. In the meantime there's some less-convenient alternatives including creating your own server, playing COOP or modifying your map files.

ryan d ale · 02-06-2010, 10:25 AM

As previously mentioned I'm all for having the training mode back.

Waiting for things to respawn isn't going to help pilots that can't fly well enough as it is.

death87 · 02-06-2010, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snazz

The impression has definitely been given that COOP replaces Training.

I support a special training designed map with low spawn times and infinite respawns as well but we'll have to wait until someone finishes one. In the meantime there's some less-convenient alternatives including creating your own server, playing COOP or modifying your map files.

I dislike how there is 'bot-friendly' aircraft in COOP because the bots hardly even use them and are terrible at using them anyway. It'd be better to just leave them to real players IMO.

heh.. the other day a bot flying an A10 TK a little bird with two people inside of it using rockets because the littlebird was between it and me.

It also missed me completely.

Also, what's with the frogfoot carpet bombing!?

02-06-2010, 03:21 AM	#41
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02-06-2010, 04:11 AM	#42
[R-DEV]ballard_44 PR:BF2 Developer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,170	Re: Where did the training mode go? Let's clear up one thing. Kashan COOP is not a 'training' map. If anyone has said otherwise, they were incorrect. Like any other map that you can play COOP/SP on, it is SP and bot friendly first, with the added ability of playing COOP, 2nd. The majority of jets and helis on SP/COOP maps are tweaked so that bots can actually fly them. So they are not the best learning tools. On Kashan, the jets that are in the hangers are the MP versions. I think a few of the helis that are around are MP versions, also. If you want to learn how to operate any of the air vehicles, start up MP and create a 'local' server. You can fly around untouched to get the hang of it.
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02-06-2010, 04:14 AM	#43
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02-06-2010, 04:32 AM	#44
Durandal Join Date: Sep 2008 United States of America Location: Muttrah City Posts: 108	Re: Where did the training mode go? Yeah, I really wish there were at least a "vehicle training" mode with instant respawns and infinite tickets - even if it only be single player or local only. That really helps my heli and plane flying out. Thus, less crashes and less angries on the public/private servers. This has probably been suggested, but a full-featured shooting range map (again, for single player or local) would be kind of neat too. Good way to train PR recruits, as I have to do that a lot. Different kits to pick up on tables at their respective ranges - learn how the deviation system works, use deployed/undeployed MGs and marksman rifles, range m203s, try the guided/lobbed AT weapons, etc. That would be a truly epic training tool. Might not be terribly too much work, and I would do it too, If I could ever get around to being arsed to learn how to map.

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02-06-2010, 04:40 AM	#47
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02-06-2010, 10:25 AM	#49
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