The Ups and Downs of Squad leading: Follow my orders, darn it!

[Wags]

Originally Posted by Teufel Eldritch

This isn't the real life military. There is no need to be a jerk to other players. If I wanted to get screamed at by someone in uniform I would have joined the RL military. PR is only a game & as such I don't have to take BS from anyone. You want to be my SL? Then treat me with respect & you will receive the same. If you have lost your patience in with dealing with subordinates then perhaps you shouldn't be SL. Like I said earlier... this isn't the RL military, it is only a game.

The people in the real military don't scream at each other either. Sure, there are those guys in the military that yell a lot, but there are those guys in PR, right? The fact that there are people screaming isn't about whether they are trying to be like "the real thing" or not, it's simply the person.

In my ROTC leadership training, we learned that screaming and yelling and loosing your cool has an overall negative effect on your subordinates and moral. Calm seriousness gets the job done.

Odds are if somebody is yelling at you, your doing something wrong. In the military, you get yelled at if your wrong, it slowly prevents you from being in the wrong all the time (if you listen). Same goes for PR. Even the guys that like to yell a lot wont yell if you don't give them a reason to.

A lot of people mistake seriousness for "power tripping." The serious people are simply people who want to win, and do what they will to accomplish the goals they set for themselves and their squads.

If you do not like it, leave the squad, because a serious squad leader will do better without somebody who doesn't like being in the squad.

[Bellator]

I often find that bad squad leaders are also at fault.

[Jedimushroom]

As a squad leader, I find I often can't get my guys to do what I tell them, I figure it must be something about my personality that makes them ignore me. Most of the time I just accommodate for this and do the best I can, sometimes resorting to violence if no-one will listen. (I'm looking at you, Filamu...)

Shouting and screaming like a power trip madman isn't going to help anyone, and I find it very hard dealing with such people.

[Shaihuluid]

Originally Posted by Jedimushroom

As a squad leader, I find I often can't get my guys to do what I tell them, I figure it must be something about my personality that makes them ignore me. Most of the time I just accommodate for this and do the best I can, sometimes resorting to violence if no-one will listen. (I'm looking at you, Filamu...)

Shouting and screaming like a power trip madman isn't going to help anyone, and I find it very hard dealing with such people.

What I find is that you'll often have some either extremely talented players on your squad who should be squadleading but instead just [insert orders for squadlead when near potentially dangerous location], and some extremely untalented smacktards who take the MG/Sniper and go Rambo while pretending not to hear you over voip. listen to the smart ones, kick the idiots so the smart ones get the MG.

The real problem is when you are playing on a server run by smacktards and as a result either have to kick every squad member, or run a ship of fools. (as in the one I mention in the first post, it was =H= Hog hardcore insurgency, believe it or not) It's a tough choice, believe me!

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Originally Posted by Cassius

I would agree that it works on most servers, however I play on a server where teamplay is emphasized.
Insurgency has at least 15 men sitting on a cache who are discipined enough to not stray too far from it. You can forget about trying to get lucky with even a 6 man squad. If you do not rally a sizeable force and place spawns of your own Blueforce will lose bad.

Teamplay works, get with likeminded people and play toegether with them. The guys who play against you will either change their "I dont like being told what to do" mentality or switch to a server where both sides are similiary disorganized.

I play on team oriented servers too and it still works as a valid tactic. Both ninja'ing a cache with a 2-3 or even 1 man squad and the rush tactics. You stay away from the enemy and hope to pin them down and it won't work because they will just keep spawning in until they eventually overrun you or take out your RP. You especially need these tactics on the imbalanced insurgency maps like Korengal, Ramiel, and Archer. You can even put on an insurgent/Taliban kit and get right up to the cache a lot of the time. I didn't believe this really worked until I tried it too.

[Teufel Eldritch]

Tophatter94
I have no issue with players being serious about the game. In fact that's what I love about this game, is that it is a serious game. I like a certain amount of military role-play while playing. Helps with the immersion, makes it more fun. No what I have issue with is... 1) SL that think they are god 2) SL abusing other players.

As for yelling & doing something wrong... like I said earlier I am not in the RL military so there is no need to go all Gunnery Sgt Hartman on my butt. If the SL doesn't go all Gunnery Sgt. Hartman on me I won't go all Private 'Pyle' on him. Respect begats respect. You are not going to get me to do anything by abusing, screaming, swearing, yelling, threatening, insulting or whathaveyou. You will however get me to do things by treating me with respect, consideration & yes I dare say kindness. Just remember I am a civilian in real life & have zero tolerance for being treated like crap & we will get along just fine.