Future of the communty factions ?

[[R-MOD]Jigsaw]

Originally Posted by Sgt_Doctor

One thing : Hauteclocque is not the leader of FF. Oficially we don't have any leader. But, in reallity, it's me and him who manage the french forces team.

Hauteclocque's user profile begs to differ. He has the same level of access as all other community faction leads, hence is responsible for communication with the main PR team. Perhaps the fact that you say he isn't officially a leader is indicative of a requirement for that area to be sorted.

Originally Posted by Sgt_Doctor

For example, you are beta tester and you work for PR. Also you can use the PR dogtag and you have acces on a private subforum. But what about the people who make models, texture, export, management, blablabla... for the community factions ? Nothing. No differences between a normal gamer and a comfac dev on the PR forum...

The reason beta testers have access to a private section of the forums is because, with good reason, test builds are private. Your faction lead is responsible for accessing the private sections of the forums as it is an issue with security, otherwise there would be a lot of work created by having large numbers of (often part time) community developers with access to private builds. Obviously if you have done a particularly large amount of work then this eventually may be recognised but until then you do not need private access to make models or maps etc.

[[R-CON]Sgt_Doctor]

Originally Posted by Jigsaw

Hauteclocque's user profile begs to differ. He has the same level of access as all other community faction leads, hence is responsible for communication with the main PR team. Perhaps the fact that you say he isn't officially a leader is indicative of a requirement for that area to be sorted.

I think you don't know the live of the FF ? So, i'm not lying if i say that. We don't need tittle for make our works.

[[R-DEV]Hauteclocque]

Doctor I think you really should read those threads :
http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f66-...uirements.html
http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f66-...cial-info.html

[[R-MOD]Jigsaw]

Originally Posted by Sgt_Doctor

So, i'm not lying if i say that. We don't need tittle for make our works.

Your complaint at a lack of communication with the main team (and reason apparent for this thread) indicates strongly to me that you really do need a leader.

In addition quoting from the links provided in the above posts:

We are here to help you, as much as you are here to help us by trying to add something new to PR so providing you are willing to work with us in a professional manner, we will do the same.

I do not regard this as a professional manner in which to go about raising any issue with the team. The correct way would have been to raise your concerns directly with your faction leader, which given that he is posting links for your information here it does not appear you have.


Again, all my own opinion.

[Snazz]

Originally Posted by Sgt_Doctor

The communication between the R-DEVs and the members of the community factions is really awfull. For example, PR will use the USI Milan, but we have our own Milan (since may 2009). And no one show interest about it. http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f356...pon-milan.html

Rhino gave feedback in that thread so he probably did take notice of it.

I guess the USI Milan was just easier and quicker to integrate into the MEC's deployable AT. It even has an appropriately high tripod and desert skin.

USI Milan:


FF Milan:

[[R-CON]Sgt_Doctor]

I agree, if it's faster and better ! Let's go ! I'm not stupid, i'm a PR fan.

But it's not easy when you see your works make for nothing.

[[R-DEV]Hauteclocque]

Stubborn, stubborn boy...
I explain you on msn the same thing as Snazz just told you, and you come back...
I'm really fed up...
Our MILAN can still be used on vehicles...

[[R-CON]Sgt_Doctor]

Thanks for your support Haute really.

And you know very well to put Milan on vehicles is really not a freaking priority. Maybe never.

[[R-DEV]AfterDune]

Originally Posted by Sgt_Doctor

For example, you are beta tester and you work for PR. Also you can use the PR dogtag and you have acces on a private subforum. But what about the people who make models, texture, export, management, blablabla... for the community factions ? Nothing. No differences between a normal gamer and a comfac dev on the PR forum...

If you're a beta tester, you do things for the PR core. A community faction remains a community faction until it's getting implemented. When new testbuilds are ready, with a comfac implemented, our beta testers test it, of course, as it becomes part of the PR core from then on.

Texturers, modellers and all the other wonderful people who put a lot of time in comfacs are doing amazing work. But because it's not the PR core, those people don't get access to the private testing forums and such. Also, our experience is that comfacs have a lot of different people working on things, some stay only a few weeks, others are there from beginning to end. If we would give all those people access to certain areas of the private forums, and revoke those rights when they stop working on a comfac, we might as well open it up to everyone, as it would be a 24/7 job to maintain it all . I'm sure you understand we can't go there.

Regarding differences between a normal gamer and a comfac lead, well, comfac leads have access to our R-CON forums as well as a private comfac leads forum. And there's a community faction manager around on most days.. What his name again......?



Edit: regarding the Milan. If the FF version of the model is of better quality and such, I don't see why the PR team wouldn't switch from the USI Milan to the FF version. Everything is subject to change if we find something better, hehe. Who knows, perhaps in a future version of PR, it'll feature the FF version .

[Snazz]

Originally Posted by Sgt_Doctor

But it's not easy when you see your works make for nothing.

True. Bao should still be proud of his work, even if it doesn't end up being used it'd be good for his portfolio.

As AD suggests, it could replace the USI Milan in future. I guess the lines of communications with the DEVs just need to be improved first.