Insurgent weapon Tracer

[barbdwyer22]

Well, here is another person with real life experience and this is what I have seen.

Generally, Insurgents do not have tracer rounds in their small arms weapons. Things like belt fed weapons typically have a 3 to 1 ratio of ball to tracer, which is why you see tracer rounds coming in, mainly from RPKs and PKMs.

This generally holds true for American Forces as well. Sometimes we use tracers in our magazines, but only for special purposes and those we have to manually load after removing them from SAW belts. I do not see why every BLUFOR weapon fires tracers in PR, we do not typically like giving away our position either.

Also, like people have said here, tracers are kind of hard to see during the day, but not impossible, especially when tracers are being fired out of a machine gun.

In the end, as you have all read and seen, it really depends and is situational, the only weapons that I believe should definitively have tracers are machine guns.

[SSG Jay]

This generally holds true for American Forces as well. Sometimes we use tracers in our magazines, but only for special purposes and those we have to manually load after removing them from SAW belts.

1st Infantry Combat uses tracers in M4/M16 on general occasion unless directly ordered not to do so.

Originally Posted by Kruder

Remove them,makes no sense

@SSG Jay:According to you, not only RL ins. dont know stuff or cant distinguish the difference between tracer and non tracer rounds(i belive there must be a visible clue) ,but what you say is they are not intelligent enough to learnt it by time.

We are talking about an insurgency here,who kept posting videos on various internet sites with instructions to make bombs out of simple household items or scoped sniper rifles,but according to u, the same guys cant and wont be able to distinguish differences between 2 types of rounds,a concept which even a dog can learn in a few hours(maybe minutes) of training.

P.S:Unlike what you think,some of those insurgents are profesionals,like ex Iraqi army veterans,and some are get paid per kill,in other words,insurgent blackwater.Also there is this thing called EXPERIENCE,u know,people do LEARN,even animals do...

Stated earlier that there are some of them who have the weapon knowledge to distinguish between a tracer round and another type of round. While most of them don't, just like there are many here who have never even seen a single round of anytime and there are others who have. There are some here who can make home made videos and there are some here who can't. There are insurgents who will take off the uniform of a fallen soldier and can't even properly place on the rank insignia to look convincing but could run into another insurgent and get shot because he thought the guy was US.
I wonder how those same group of intelligent and so well trained fighters as you make them out to be, who most never fought or trained a day in their life, can get paint and mark a red cross and U-S ARMY on a truck and expect us to think its a medievac and come running for it to get ambushed, but they are all(keyword all) intelligent enough in combat arms and urban warfare, to know their using a round that doesn't just kill, but has a visible trail. There are some who doesn't use it because maybe they do know. But there's still some who does use them.

[Freelance_Commando]

From a game play perspective, I don't see why tracers are seen as a problem. Sure they can give your position away, but it's already considerably easy to spot hostiles firing at you because of their silhouette to the hill or ground. On occasion there are still points where you be fired and you have no idea where it's coming from, it all depends on the situation.

In terms of realism one would think it a benefit to remove the tracer rounds from magazines and the such, but it doesn't mean they do it all the time if at all. In my opinion a manufacturer wouldn't want to change production (removing tracer rounds from an order) just for one client, it's their goal to sell as much ammunition as they can so they can turn over a profit.

And too any man in any war, every bullet counts.

[Texas1911A1]

Originally Posted by SSG Jay

Stated earlier that there are some of them who have the weapon knowledge to distinguish between a tracer round and another type of round. While most of them don't, just like there are many here who have never even seen a single round of anytime and there are others who have. There are some here who can make home made videos and there are some here who can't. There are insurgents who will take off the uniform of a fallen soldier and can't even properly place on the rank insignia to look convincing but could run into another insurgent and get shot because he thought the guy was US.

I wonder how those same group of intelligent and so well trained fighters as you make them out to be, who most never fought or trained a day in their life, can get paint and mark a red cross and U-S ARMY on a truck and expect us to think its a medievac and come running for it to get ambushed, but they are all(keyword all) intelligent enough in combat arms and urban warfare, to know their using a round that doesn't just kill, but has a visible trail. There are some who doesn't use it because maybe they do know. But there's still some who does use them.

Don't forget my personal favorite haji infantry tactic... the "I'ma shoot this here RPG at God know's what, then Jamalistan over here is going to belt dump his PKM in the same general direction". Then when the infidels shoot at me, or when my shitty worn out PKM jams, I'll run back around the corner and scream 82 Allah Snackbars while I wait for the recently called in fire mission to come screaming in.

[Kruder]

Originally Posted by SSG Jay

1st Infantry Combat uses tracers in M4/M16 on general occasion unless directly ordered not to do so.



Stated earlier that there are some of them who have the weapon knowledge to distinguish between a tracer round and another type of round. While most of them don't, just like there are many here who have never even seen a single round of anytime and there are others who have. There are some here who can make home made videos and there are some here who can't. There are insurgents who will take off the uniform of a fallen soldier and can't even properly place on the rank insignia to look convincing but could run into another insurgent and get shot because he thought the guy was US.
I wonder how those same group of intelligent and so well trained fighters as you make them out to be, who most never fought or trained a day in their life, can get paint and mark a red cross and U-S ARMY on a truck and expect us to think its a medievac and come running for it to get ambushed, but they are all(keyword all) intelligent enough in combat arms and urban warfare, to know their using a round that doesn't just kill, but has a visible trail. There are some who doesn't use it because maybe they do know. But there's still some who does use them.

Strange,i dont think ins. as retarded as u are trying to portray,because it seems to me , distinguishing a tracer from a nontracer round and not putting that particular round into a clip/mag(whatever its called) looks like a lot less complicated ( still insist,u can teach a monkey to do that)stuff,than,for instance,making an IED in your kitchen,hiding it on roadside,then blowing it up on the exact time as a US army vehicle passes by with a cell phone,and then calmly gtfo of the scene.

Sure there will be always retards who are too dumb to think,in any community which has more than 2 persons in it,including here...

[TayloR016]

Originally Posted by SSG Jay

Half the maps in PR are dark maps most if im not incorrect - all of the maps with china are darker maps. You think it has to be complete midnight darkness to be considered dark?

No what i'm saying is is that theres not a dark enough map for there to be a noticeable improvement in what you suggested.

[SSG Jay]

Originally Posted by Kruder

Strange,i dont think ins. as retarded as u are trying to portray,because it seems to me , distinguishing a tracer from a nontracer round and not putting that particular round into a clip/mag(whatever its called) looks like a lot less complicated ( still insist,u can teach a monkey to do that)stuff,than,for instance,making an IED in your kitchen,hiding it on roadside,then blowing it up on the exact time as a US army vehicle passes by with a cell phone,and then calmly gtfo of the scene.

Sure there will be always retards who are too dumb to think,in any community which has more than 2 persons in it,including here...

Thats where your experience and knowledge fail you,, because you think that every entire insurgent will be able to identify a tracer because what may seem like common sense to you may look like Physics to someone else, I know how to cook but you got others who couldn't cook if their life depended on it, you are going to call them retarded because they don't know how to cook? EVERY insurgent does not know how to make a IED and every insurgent doesn't know what a tracer is, plain and simple.

[Laikalappie]

I agree, insurgents shouldn't have tracers.

[Human_001]

Can we make it so we can choose Gun with tracer and no tracer? Is it too much work? If we can do that, then that is the fair and realistic solution.

[molotov everything]

honestly I wouldn't see the point in having their tracers removed. it would kill the point of ambushing people as INS if they could simply shoot from afar without being detected. Then the Coalition would lose their main advantage. They ought to just make the RPG's anti-personal weapons, if you want more realism and balance :P